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Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by nonethewiser »

Biganon wrote: post #379
solenoid0937 wrote: post #342

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HN hysteria is ridiculous. All of this is totally understandable if you take the perspective that these people genuinely believe they're building superintelligence. The overwhelming majority of the AI safety crowd - which has poured more of their life and time into thinking about these problems than the average HN armchair commentator ever would - understands that: - you want to prevent China from getting to superint…

> HN hysteria is ridiculous. > this is a race that will result in the extinction of humanity if you fail in these goals

He says HN is hysterical.

He thinks Anthropic thinks human extinction is on the table.

I don't see any irony, hypocrisy, etc. It's not hysterical to state that Anthropic believes this.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by dkersten »

someonebaggy wrote: post #613
dkersten wrote: post #546

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Sure but that adds a lot of complexity and cost to your business. It’s much simpler and safer to just work with more reliable vendors to begin with. Why build on quicksand when there’s rock available?

In most of business, there isn't rock available. You have to build on what's there and accept it.

Many vendors and service providers have SLA’s and contracts, at least for the critical services.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by nonethewiser »

skywhopper wrote: post #645
solenoid0937 wrote: post #389

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What are the PRC's values? How are individual freedoms in China? What happens if you criticize the government as a Chinese citizen? Is it a good thing if a government that turns its citizens into red pulp for criticism, or disappears them in the middle of the night, or bans access to most media, is the first to a godlike superintelligence that gives them de-facto control of (and impose their values upon) the whole wo…

Democratic nations, at the behest of their billionaire patrons, are rapidly pursuing China’s approach to governance.

That's not exactly an endorsement of China's approach to governance now is it?

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

> CC silently alters the system prompt using invisible-ish Unicode markers. It encodes proxy / gateway classification into a sentence that looks like plain English. It hides the domain list behind XOR and base64. This is not a malicious feature, but it is a weird choice for a developer tool that asks for trust.

Zoom, enhance

> This is not a malicious feature, but it is a weird choice for a developer tool that asks for trust.

Most basic Javascript malware will use Base64, XOR, and eval. So although not malicious, I'd bet they asked Claude to "obfuscate my fingerprinting using tricks that malware writers use"

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by stingraycharles »

suttontom wrote: post #363
mcmcmc wrote: post #189

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Watch out for the press release where Dario denies this was ever intentional, and it’s actually emergent behavior demonstrating that Claude wants to claim authorship of its works

It's crazy that you could actually use the excuse that since it's all vibe-coded, there's no way a human could have written it, so Anthropic bears no responsibility. Meanwhile humans can pop in and leave little morsels like this and blame it on the model.

Is there any concrete evidence they’re doing this, though?

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by soraminazuki »

mft_ wrote: post #597
isatty wrote: post #417

You can't trust any of the big AI labs as far as you can throw them, and most definitely not Anthropic. They may have a good model, but they've shown time and time again that they're not trustworthy. The CEO has recently started taking a stance against local AI. That must tell you something: local AI is the future. If you want to preserve privacy and be ready for the rug pull, you need to run things locally. Unfortun…

> …they're not trustworthy. The CEO has recently started taking a stance against local AI. That must tell you something: local AI is the future. Or… just that open-weights AI is getting good enough to present a reasonable level of threat to their business. So it popped up on a SWOT analysis and they’ve started putting a strategy together. This doesn’t need to be anything more nefarious or untrustworthy than a company…

That they have a process for doing evil things doesn't make it less nefarious.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by nonethewiser »

gck1 wrote: post #638
llelouch wrote: post #97

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There has been an anti anthropic propaganda push by bad actors across social media sites especially Reddit and twitter. This started a few months ago when anthropic started beating openai.

> This started a few months ago when anthropic started beating openai. From where I'm standing, this started a few months ago when Anthropic decided to gaslight users, sabotage their projects, ship malware and attempt a regulatory capture. If there's an anti-ANT propaganda, it is solely of ANT's own making.

>If there's an anti-ANT propaganda, it is solely of ANT's own making.

How could you possibly know that?

You can say there is good reason to be anti-Anthropic but how could you possible know there is 0 propaganda being pushed?

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by nonethewiser »

throw10920 wrote: post #441
llelouch wrote: post #97

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There has been an anti anthropic propaganda push by bad actors across social media sites especially Reddit and twitter. This started a few months ago when anthropic started beating openai.

Altman is also exactly the kind of person who would resort to tactics like this.

It's funny to imagine Sam Altman alt-posting on Hackernews about how shitty Anthropic is.

The n'th comment on some vibe coded app denigrating it for the claude's style. Not even a sophisticated attack to change the narrative. Just Sam Altman jumping on the pile.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by randbyte »

johnfn wrote: post #523
doginasuit wrote: post #464

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There's nothing wrong with the transparent collection of analytics. I expect any software that I run to tell me what they are sending at a bare minimum, and ideally give me a choice. This is the common and acceptable approach for a software company that deserves your trust. A willingness to cross that line with something small does not lend trust for something big, and there's nothing really comparable for the level…

This entire thread has lost its collective mind. Tracking time zone has to be up there with IP address and referer in the list of "trivial things every company in the entire world collects about you", and these things are entirely trackable without your consent or even knowledge. You're gonna have to turn off the Internet.

In your example, service providers may be allowed to collect IP address or cookies or referer which are either critical to how they provide service (IP and cookies) or part of the established norm (browser sending referer).

That doesn’t mean they are allowed to go beyond and scan user’s environment variables

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