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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by cortesoft »

pizzly wrote: post #351
cortesoft wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. Your overall argument makes some sense, but I would bet any money this simply is not true. Even if the US maintains some of the restrictions on export (which is in no way a given with how fickle this administration is, let alone the next administration), as LLMs advance, Fable will eventually be considered a lower tier model, and is l…

That makes it better, paying money to always having access to the second rate models from US AI providers. The problem remains.

Which is why I said the overall argument makes sense.

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Post by justaj »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #577
justaj wrote: post #442

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What makes you believe this is about export controls rather than harvesting data?

What makes you believe he belives that?

Because of this sentence?

> LLMs are not the first tech product that have been restricted by export controls.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by jen20 »

hurfdurf wrote: post #645
jen20 wrote: post #477

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> FCC is requiring IDs for phones. Sources?

https://www.404media.co/fcc-wants-to-kill-burner-phones-by-f... https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-421309A1.pdf https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/35134-new-fcc-rule-requirin... https://www.cnet.com/news/privacy/if-the-fcc-bans-burner-pho...

All of these appear to be proposals only.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by Scoundreller »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #596
Scoundreller wrote: post #494

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Meanwhile, as an irregular user of heavy AI, I like the usage-based billing of deepseek. Made a bunch of optimizations to my vibe-coded codebase, created some extra modules, using the chat... has costed me 33 cents so far in a couple weeks.

33 cents? That's insane... I set up an API cost meter on my Claude Code status line and it frequently runs into the hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars.

My build/work is probably a lot simpler than yours, but still, a huge value for me for just 33 cents.

Minimum spend/fill is US$2 plus Chinese vat (dunno why but not gonna complain about 6%)

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by lobocinza »

data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

Worse than that. You're funding models and an ecossystem that discriminates you.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by lobocinza »

ElProlactin wrote: post #582
-Fu wrote: post #578

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It’s not the five minutes that I balk at, it’s entrusting a third party with all they need to steal my identity. But of course, they’ll never get hacked…

It's not like Anthropic is the only company in the world that would have the basic details contained on a driver's license or passport. Odds are all of the PII required for someone to steal your identity is already in criminal hands. The National Public Data breach alone exposed the social security numbers of potentially upwards of 100 million Americans. Numerous companies have literally "all" of your personal data a…

But they have all other data as well and this concentration is dangerous.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #577
justaj wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you believe this is about export controls rather than harvesting data?

What makes you believe he belives that?

The sentence does not state he believes the ID check is for export control purposes

In fact, earlier in the comment, he argues the ID check dates back to April

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by sofixa »

palmotea wrote: post #704
sofixa wrote: post #666

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> Trump says a lot of things. It's foolish to take every outrage seriously. It's pretty clear it's just a tactic of his (albeit a dumb one). And he has also acted on a lot of the things he has said. It's foolish to ignore him. > Ok, then. If you're serious: kick the US out of NATO. Increase military spending, go it alone. Really treat the US as a non-ally. What? It's not possible to expell a country from NATO as per…

>> Trump says a lot of things. It's foolish to take every outrage seriously. It's pretty clear it's just a tactic of his (albeit a dumb one). > And he has also acted on a lot of the things he has said. It's foolish to ignore him. Did he invade Greenland? Bomb Canada? Those are the specific outrageous things he said that we're talking about here. As far as I can tell, he created his outrage and distractions there, and…

> So what? You're claiming the alliance is irreparably broken, who cares about the text of a treaty

The alliance is broken, yes, and everyone is treating it as much. Kicking the US out, other than being impossible, will only piss off the petulant children.

> Did he invade Greenland? Bomb Canada? Those are the specific outrageous things he said that we're talking about here. As far as I can tell, he created his outrage and distractions there, and moved on

He was damn close to attacking Greenland, so much so that various European nations felt the need to send soldiers there to show they're commited to defending it. It doesn't matter that he didn't actually do the absurd.

> I don't think you get it, either: how long can you maintain that attitude without the irritant (the 80-year-old person that is Donald Trump)?

Geopolitical priorities and alignments take years to shift. So does military procurement. Once the US is no longer reliable, it will take years of reliability before there is a chance to mend the relationship.

> Also, you're acting all outraged, but present in your messages (but unacknowledged) are other and more tangible violations of trust, like European countries shirking their military spending commitments and letting their militaries decline to disrepair, because they expected the US to defend them forever for free.

I'm sorry, but that is just pure grade A American bullshit. It's insulting to everyone's intelligence to spout such nonsense. Various European countries spend to various extents. Nobody, is getting protection for "free". They're all pitching in to different levels (some like Poland, France, UK, definitely more than others). And the US was getting plenty in exchange, most notably bases to run their famous and intimidating logistics. The US definitely loses more out of losing those than European nations that have the British and French nuclear umbrellas if it push came to shove.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by furyofantares »

ethbr1 wrote: post #682
furyofantares wrote: post #510

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That is my best guess too, which is an even better case for better-than-Opus-4.8 models being available from OpenAI without drawing the attention of the administration. I do think their marketing hype was a factor though even in this narrative. Andrew Jassy tells a vengeful admin that there's this jailbreak for a model Anthropic said was dangerous, and vengeful admin seizes the opportunity to take vengeance.

I think any optimism about future OpenAI models is discounting the avarice of the current US administration. Having succeeded with Anthropic, it's reasonable to expect their next attempt will be: "Nice new model, OpenAI, would be a shame if national security concerns tangled up a public release. Now let's talk about equity stakes..."

My belief that OpenAI will release a model better than Opus 4.8 globally should not be interpreted as a claim that they will avoid a shakedown. I think if they encounter corruption, they will engage with it.
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