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Re: The AirPods Effect

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Post by slater »

calf wrote: post #661
nradov wrote: post #456

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just a social or class issue. A lot of women wear headphones to discourage creepy men from hitting on them or sexually harassing them. The HN crowd skews toward young men and I think many of you don't understand that some women get this constantly on public transit.

Having to buy fancy headphones to solve a social problem is what makes it a class issue. That's the subtle error in the typical response.

Luckily, nobody is saying you have to buy fancy headphones.

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Post by habinero »

Empact wrote: post #670
braiamp wrote: post #654

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There's a easier solution by crime caused by poor people: they stop being poor. The fact that nobody tried is the thing that should be studied instead.

There's abundant evidence against this belief: * Lottery winners do not commit less crime than those who do not win the lottery: https://www.nber.org/papers/w31962 * Studies of identical twins adopted and raised apart shows that crime is more correlated with genetics than environment: 45% nature vs 18-27% nurture https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25936380/ * "While individual study estimates vary, meta-analyses have su…

I'm hearing this high pitched sound, does anyone else hear that?

I clicked and scrolled through several of those studies, and those snippets are incredibly misleading. I would recommend not using these in debates, unless you want to come across as a poor researcher acting in bad faith.

The very last one says nothing about genetics at all, that's saying the justice system is biased.

The second to last is part of a much more nuanced section talking about environmental impacts and the role that can play in biological expression. It literally says:

> Thus, just as biological mechanisms can influence environmental responses, environmental stressors can affect biological expressions.

I stopped reading at that point.

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Post by habinero »

SubmarineClub wrote: post #649
bradleyjg wrote: post #592

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I’d say it’s the opposite. We get non enforcement and anti enforcement because lots of people aren’t directly affected. Different neighborhoods, work from home, private transportation to work, or—admittedly to a lesser degree—AirPod insulation. If we were really all this together quality of life in our cities would be taken far more seriously.

No, it’s because city politics in the US are dominated by naive bleeding-heart type leftists who are willing to overlook any and all forms of antisocial behavior if it’s committed by a poor and/minority individual.

Considering that's where all the people and money are in this country, it's clearly not a problem for most folk. You're entitled to your outlier opinion, of course.

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Post by habinero »

nonethewiser wrote: post #638
tverbeure wrote: post #585

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> if that doesn't work, incarceration. Sure, let’s “solve” a minor problem in the grand scheme of things with a much larger evil.

Wont someone please think of the unstable homeless person threatening people on the street. Incarceration is more humane for everyone than letting sick people live on the street.

Threatening to revoke the rights and freedoms of your fellow citizens and put them in a hellhole is pretty antisocial and sociopathic behavior, my dude. That makes me suuuuper uncomfortable.

Oh no, better throw you in jail so I don't have to think about you. Don't mind the moldy bugs in your food, that's just extra protein.

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Post by clukic »

oceanplexian wrote: post #539

Yeah, great article. But it should get to the point. The reason you need to physically remove yourself is because of the insane lunatics that blast trash music and do a dance while aggressively panhandling or screaming at you for trying to commute quitely on the train to work. A hallmark of daily life when I worked in SF and in NYC. A great way to fix the fake problem would be to aggressively enforce the existing law…

This reply is perfect. The anger encapsulated in it captures the exact crux of the post. The point, of course, is that advances in personal technology have coincided with a cultural shift where people feel entitled to personal isolation in public spaces.

When I moved to NYC 30 years ago, one of the things that made me fall in love with the city was the way that living in such close proximity to so many others seemed to create so much more empathy. The same effect, I now see working in reverse, minimizing contact with others with by disappearing into technology has the effect of making people less empathetic. Instead of reaching into their pocket for a subway performance, or a homeless person, people might prefer to see them arrested for the crime of violating their all important personal barriers.

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Post by krosaen »

chris_money202 wrote: post #467
krosaen wrote: post #465

Wearing on public transport: meh, the chances I chat with a total stranger is quite small. Wearing on walks around my neighborhood: yes, totally see how this nudges away from spontaneous chats with neighbors / acquaintances as we pass each other and wave, but don't stop perhaps due to the friction of removing airpods and sense we may be interrupting each other. Sometimes if I see a neighbor I know up ahead, I will pr…

Really I see it as the exact opposite. A walk around the neighborhood is highly unlikely to strike up random conversation with a stranger. Might run into a friend or someone friendly but they are likely going to approach with or without airpods

Interesting that your experience is so different. I didn't mean strangers in my neighborhood though, just acquaintances / neighbors who I talk to sometimes - and airpods nudge the decision towards smile / wave keep walking over stop and chat.

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Post by talon8635 »

goodmythical wrote: post #625
talon8635 wrote: post #529

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You’re chastising the person above you for blocking out the world with headphones while bragging that you have honed skills over time to, due to desire and necessity, block out the world in your own head. In any case, it doesn’t strike me as unreasonable to want to be unbothered, especially in particularly bothersome circumstances. You don’t owe anyone your attention, and the assumption that you do can and is weaponi…

I'm fairly mistaken you've mistaken me on two counts. I've chastised no one. I've merely observed aloud that the choices we all make have effects on both ourselves and others. I also don't do any such thing as block the world out in my own head...not really sure where you could have gotten that except perhaps from a misunderstanding of meditation. The meditation that I and many practice is about peaceful abiding or c…

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Post by [deleted] »

goodmythical wrote: post #491
XorNot wrote: post #449

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"SpaceX is a fraud. Its all about control. That's why in the future you'll be eating bugs because it's Greta Thunberg". I am only partly paraphrasing actual conversation with my father in-law. I cannot stress enough that what you think will work here doesn't : literally every topic will be pivoted towards a rant about which groups are destroying the future (all of them), or how it's all a conspiracy or how they are p…

You can lean in to that though. I live in a rural county with 22k people in the entire county. But you're painting two different pictures as if they are the same. The suited family type and the conspiracy theorist are different people. Were I to know that I were dealing with a conspiracy theorist, the pivot is "I wish I could pay as little tax as rich people do (knowing fully well that they often pay far more than I…

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Post by cindyllm »

goodmythical wrote: post #701
wolvoleo wrote: post #690

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Good point but that's exactly what we in the LGBT community have had to deal with for years now. After a while the will to find a common ground just gets eroded. But that is a bad thing, I agree. And the thing is a lot of MAGA people do want these things. Otherwise they wouldn't happen. But yes part of the blame lies with me too. It is as you say very tiring.

I strongly feel that that's the thing that's mitigated modern queer integration into popular society. I understand that being either loud and proud or even just unabashedly your own self can be trying at times. I know, by first hand experience (as a cis-ish passing transwoman if you squint), that embodying your own reality in public can be a difficult and damaging experience... But it's just...necessary. Even on a co…

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Post by [deleted] »

clukic wrote: post #715
oceanplexian wrote: post #539

Yeah, great article. But it should get to the point. The reason you need to physically remove yourself is because of the insane lunatics that blast trash music and do a dance while aggressively panhandling or screaming at you for trying to commute quitely on the train to work. A hallmark of daily life when I worked in SF and in NYC. A great way to fix the fake problem would be to aggressively enforce the existing law…

This reply is perfect. The anger encapsulated in it captures the exact crux of the post. The point, of course, is that advances in personal technology have coincided with a cultural shift where people feel entitled to personal isolation in public spaces. When I moved to NYC 30 years ago, one of the things that made me fall in love with the city was the way that living in such close proximity to so many others seemed…

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