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Post by beepbooptheory »

pdimitar wrote: post #480
beepbooptheory wrote: post #400

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How long does it take to learn all that then? Can't imagine it would take that long.. At least compared to, eg, becoming an experienced Rust or C programmer. And if it does take that long, why is it so great anyway? Making labor hyper-interchangeable is kinda like the whole pitch here. It's two steps away from b2b SaaS labor if the PR is to be believed. Maybe you can say you're an elite prompter or whatever, but it a…

You are kind of ranting here and your point seem to mostly be "but we should not do harness engineering at all" which I agree with btw. I am describing the reality we are currently in. If I don't do some harness engineering then my bots crap on the floor and I start questioning whether I should delegate to them at all and if me doing it manually wouldn't still take less time. And you are describing a desired reality.…

I'm not being prescriptive here, just agreeing with the gp about greater labor interchangability!

Like maybe step outside yourself for a second. We are arguing both that agential blah blah makes everything fast and easy and you don't need to be as knowledgeable about any X anymore, but also at the same time we want to argue that its not easy, and you better know XYZ about it, and actually its not a magic bullet.

How can it be both? Where else do you allow this kind of dissonance in something you think?

And also, not all of us have sold our soul to it, and we're still putting food on the table! I am happy I am not in your reality I guess.

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Post by bflesch »

IsTom wrote: post #293
zrm wrote: post #287

It seems like what's missing here is lower cost plans, because the existing plans had been fairly affordable, but now they're basically triple. The least expensive one seems to be CPX11, old price $6.99, new price $20.49. That's 2GB RAM, 40GB SSD. RAM and SSD are now much more expensive, fair enough, but maybe I don't need all that for my mostly-idle VM, so then where's the plan with ~0.67GB RAM and ~13GB SSD for the…

It's wild how much more expensive they are in the US compared to Europe.

US customers have much higher budgets (startup funding) and create much more hassle (wars, tariffs, overall humiliation) than European customers. It's a bold decision but they are apparently seeing a lot of demand and I'd say let the American customers pay for the costs they are causing. Call it symbolic "freedom fee" and they're happy about it.

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Post by delusional »

awongh wrote: post #699
shakalandy wrote: post #649

Hetzner Founder and CEO Martin Hetzner shared a response to the critics in the Hetzner Forum (user benji) over here: https://forum.hetzner.com/index.php?thread/32635-standardisi... Translated from German via Claude: "For better understanding, I would like to provide some additional notes: Hetzner Online's pricing strategy has remained unchanged for many years. Our prices are based on the respective purchasing conditi…

afaik prices for the big cloud providers haven't changed this much. Their instance prices are already inflated and they're probably willing to eat into their own margins to keep prices stable and just wait out the capex increase (also probably a drop in the bucket next to the hyperscale rollout). People love to say how great it is for these alt clouds to have lower prices, until they're exposed to market forces with…

There is not a snowballs chance in hell that MS or Amazon isn't charging you at your absolute pain tolerance. As that tolerance goes up because the baseline of the market raises prices, the "hyperscalers" will too, but tenfold.

There is no price stability to be found with MS.

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Post by stolsvik »

theshrike79 wrote: post #586
tda wrote: post #557

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I literally migrated last week, and saved 8x by ditching AWS for Hetzner.

Just out of curiosity, which parts of AWS were you using? EC2 and something else? It's very simple to move when you're just using AWS as a source for VPS capacity, but when you've got lambda functions, S3, SQS, RDS and other nice acronyms in the mix the ditching becomes a lot harder to justify.

My question to that is: Why do you? Why on earth do people want to tie themselves so hard to a specific mast?

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Post by stymaar »

kuerbel wrote: post #263
colechristensen wrote: post #167

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It is supply and demand but chip supply isn't very elastic and the producers are conservative about adding capacity that won't be needed by the time it's online.

SK Hynix just said they want to double wafer production by 2031.

Nvidia's sales have done x10 over the past three years.

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Post by stymaar »

Brybry wrote: post #234
larodi wrote: post #230

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Sadly this is not a joke nor some doomsday thinking. Google recently repurposed thousands of phones for server needs. Why? Well guess why… to teach everyone tis coming.

To clarify: UC San Diego is planning to build a cluster of 2000 Pixel phones for computer science class use and Google, in support, helped with a test with 20 phones.

> Google, in support, helped with a test with 20 phones.

Cheapest PR stunt ever.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

kvam wrote: post #381
toomuchtodo wrote: post #351

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So tax them as much as needed, or require state ownership of some amount. Startups, and company entities in general, exist because a jurisdiction allows them to, or allows them to accept payments, control accounts with financial resources, pay vendors and workers, and operate within a commercial framework. That is a privilege, not a right. The rules are a shared agreement and delusion, the rules can change at any tim…

Actually participating in commerce is considered a pillar in defining a liberal democracy, in the words of John Locke, so I would say that is a right.

It’s certainly an opinion, but not law, and laws can always change.

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Post by dividedbyzero »

Aissen wrote: post #702
awongh wrote: post #699

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afaik prices for the big cloud providers haven't changed this much. Their instance prices are already inflated and they're probably willing to eat into their own margins to keep prices stable and just wait out the capex increase (also probably a drop in the bucket next to the hyperscale rollout). People love to say how great it is for these alt clouds to have lower prices, until they're exposed to market forces with…

People love to say how great these big clouds are, until they discover they've been paying ten times the market price outside of crises.

They can be pretty great, but not for just servers. Hetzner and others serve that market segment much better.

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Post by richwater »

chadgpt3 wrote: post #686
vbezhenar wrote: post #640

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> much better privacy controls than any American company would be legally able to provide Yeah, sure. They even MITM your TLS for extra privacy I suppose. https://notes.valdikss.org.ru/jabber.ru-mitm/

Every company complies with national security letters with gag orders, which it's strongly implied this was.

Centralizing permissions via IAM is a seriously overlooked benefit.

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Post by tayo42 »

chadgpt3 wrote: post #653
tommica wrote: post #648

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It's quite crazy to imagine personal computing to die. It always felt as a staple, that I could always buy components, that someone would manufacturer them and I could cobble together a machine. But now the prices going so high that it kills the market is... just sad.

Personal computing is already dead. We use locked down mobile endpoints that run pre-approved thin client software connecting to giant mainframes over monopolized radio networks.

This was the my impression. I don't think laptops and desktops are that popular outside business use anymore?
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