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Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by fireant »

stingraycharles wrote: post #61

So isn’t the only logical conclusion that we have reached the max of model capabilities that the US allows to be made available to the public? Why invest in smarter models with this precedent? And potentially more importantly: if a model like Mythos, which at best is an incremental improvement over Opus, is getting this treatment, how are all the AI investments that are based on the expectation of ASI / AGI / signifi…

This is a good point. If I were an investor, there is no way I'm investing into frontier labs after this announcement. Is this how the bubble pops?

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Traster »

rippeltippel wrote: post #685

If I were Dario Amodei, I would start relocating Anthropic to the EU, where there's a huge interest in supporting domestic AI. Also, EU politics are so fragmented that a suspension like this one would be very hard to be agreed. Yann LeCun got that right with AMI Labs.

Look at what the EU have done with Apple intelligence. Knowing the EU it wouldn't be long before Anthropic are on the wrong end of some regulation to force open model weights or some such madness.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by watchful_moose »

Lots of parallels to the crypto wars / export controls on cryptography.

The main difference here is that cryptography didn't require significant compute hardware, which is the perfect place to also apply export controls (and they have).

We could smuggle PGP source code on paper / DeCSS source code on t-shirts. That ain't gonna happen with the hardware needed for frontier models.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by coffinbirth »

nuker wrote: post #374

It all started when they took a stand against DoD on autonomous weapons and domestic mass surveillance usage. Feb 2026. After that details don't matter, they've shown their "enemy" colours, once is enough. This is just punishment and it will continue, until they bend the knee.

But in the end it's all just a deceptive theater.

While Anthropic publicly claims to refuse to help the MIC with warfare and surveillance, behind closed doors, Anthropic actively deploys its engineers and models to assist the NSA with espionage and offensive cyber warfare. Just look at the many contradictions:

* Anthropic secretly sent its own engineers directly to the NSA to deploy its (at that time unreleased) model "Mythos"[2,7]

* While the Pentagon has publicly labeled Anthropic a "supply-chain risk", the Trump administration has simultaneously been working hand-in-hand with Anthropic behind the scenes to secure its upcoming initial public offering (IPO)[1]

* If the U.S. government truly believed Anthropic was a national security threat, it would completely isolate the company. Instead, the Trump administration has actively encouraged major American banks and financial institutions to use Anthropic's models[1]

* Anthropic is heavily embedded within Palantir, the foundational data platform of the Military-Industrial Complex[3][4]

* Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense operates hand-in-hand with Palantir. Ukraine uses a specialized Palantir AI platform called PRISMA to fight Russian forces. Anthropic's language models power the text and data analysis within this system[4]

* Ukraine uses Anthropic-backed Palantir software in secretive command centers to coordinate its aggressive long-range drone campaign inside Russian territory[8]

* Anthropic’s CEO, Dario Amodei, has stated that the company will not allow its AI to power fully autonomous weapons that take humans out of the loop. However, in Ukraine, the AI functions as a decision-support tool. Because a human commander makes the final choice to press the button or launch the drone, Anthropic's terms of service are not technically violated. This allows Anthropic to protect its "ethical AI" brand while still letting its technology serve as a vital asset for Western-backed military operations[5]

Remember the Minab school attack, where the U.S. Military killed 156 civilians, including 120 schoolchildren[6]? Given all the evidence it's highly likely that Palantir and Anthropic played and still play a major role in perpetrating the war of aggression and all the crimes involved.

Personally, I find it morally unacceptable to use U.S. AI tools, because I do not want to support them financially and thus support the crimes they are involved in.

[1]: https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/blacklist...

[2]: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/05/19/anthropic-dod-blacklist-cour...

[3]: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/12/karp-palantir-anthropic-clau...

[4]: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/what-is-palantirs-prisma-the...

[5]: https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-department-of-war

[6]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack

[7]: https://archive.is/DyuAv

[8]: https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/palantirs-prisma-how-an...

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by fagnerbrack »

I managed to jailbreak its protections quite easily. For exampke I did some experiments on rewriting a text built by claude to iterate over a fitness function that rewrites to bypass AI-detectors, just to see how far it would go, changing the API terms and skills from "human" and "ai" to "engaging" and "unease" managed to bypass everything while keeping everything else int he logic intact.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by b--l »

MASNeo wrote: post #708

While this is regrettable the guardrails were rather sloppy and I managed to do things with Fable that really should not be possible. It seems with all the focus cyber and bio security, threat scenario analysis went out the door. I guess they will fix the guardrails and then open it up again. Clearly nobody wants dangerous models out there and I can understand the national security concerns. If the restrictions persi…

I found it tripped in most laughable situations by mere were words that could be related in some way to hacking but are in common use in programming. I would have to go back, examine my prompt for word that could be use in another context and replace it with a synonym.
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