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Post by pickleglitch »

madrox wrote: post #65

The four day work week is a prisoner's dilemma. If everyone did it, then we'd all get a payoff, but if someone defects to a longer work week they tend to get ahead at work. Thus we all do it and thus we all lose. It's funny how underappreciated it is how the five day work week is powered by norms...at least in the US. People assume there are laws about it. The only laws dictate compensation past certain thresholds, a…

This is why labor laws and unions exist. It's unfortunate that in the US both have diminished under a withering assault from the ruling class over the past several decades.

Re: Can we have the day off?

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Post by triceratops »

> So can I just take Friday off? ... And like, this would apply across the board, of course . So you, the board of directors, and the C-suite, you guys could take Friday off to go to play an entire 18 holes at the golf course

Joke's on you peasant. They're already playing golf on Fridays.

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Post by 999900000999 »

hx8 wrote: post #135
999900000999 wrote: post #44

Best the powers that be can do is increase outsourcing since a 15$ an hour engineer + ai is most of the way to a 70$ an hour engineer + ai. If I was smarter I’d have 200k in my 401k now. Assuming I live cheap in Vietnam and a good yield I’d just live off 10k usd per year

Where are you finding these $15/hr engineers that can pump out good PRs with Claude Code? I've taken a peak at a couple of firms and I am disappointed by their output.

Who said anything about good?

The overall code quality probably drops a bit, but as long as it still works the C level can call it a win.

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tomhow wrote: post #524
__loam wrote: post #305

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Post by thunky »

dannersy wrote: post #694
thunky wrote: post #688

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> I am okay with Alzheimer's not being cured if it means we are not bending over backwards to welcome a billionaire overlord class What a cold perspective. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

It is cold for me to not want to concede everything to billionaires to cure a disease? You are short sighted, as I would argue the reverse is cold.

> It is cold for me to not want to concede everything to billionaires to cure a disease?

"Concede everything" is way too vague to argue against, but I'd be more than happy if whoever is behind the tech to cure a horrible disease like Alzheimer's is made filthy rich for it.

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Post by testing22321 »

November_Echo wrote: post #630
testing22321 wrote: post #582

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Australia no problem. Most liberal welfare in the world

> Australia no problem. Most liberal welfare in the world Jobseeker is a maximum of $26k per year, but for most people it's going to be around $21k [1]. What else are you using supplement that because that feels like it would be close to the poverty line. 1: https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/how-much-jobseeker-paym...

Live 4 people in a share house and surf all day.

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Post by bitwize »

cattown wrote: post #33

This article is kind of playful, but I think there’s a serious point here that’s not discussed enough. We’re being asked to usher in huge productivity gains by introducing AI to our workflows, but we’re not asking how does it help us? Not a lot of us stand to directly gain from our employers becoming more productive. I know everybody is afraid of getting fired and replaced with AI or whatever right now. But we should…

> We’re being asked to usher in huge productivity gains by introducing AI to our workflows, but we’re not asking how does it help us?

Remember the banner hanging over Initech offices with their internal motto: "Is this good for the COMPANY?"

Ultimately, that is the question that matters.

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Post by mil22 »

lmm wrote: post #569
mil22 wrote: post #467

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> Why? I don't need 10x more stuff. I'd far rather spend 10x less time working. It's a free market - if you can find someone willing to hire you to work 0.5 days a week, and are happy receiving the same income you do today, you can do so. But your living standards won't improve, while everyone else's will, and by 10x. And the people you are competing with to buy housing, a car, consumer goods, healthcare, food, and e…

> Resources like housing, which are supply constrained, will seem to go up dramatically in price relative to your income, and you'll be living in a slum. That sounds like a problem with that system. If we're 10x more productive why can't we make 10x as much nice housing?

> That sounds like a problem with that system. If we're 10x more productive why can't we make 10x as much nice housing?

Because the supply of land is relatively inelastic (and to some extent building materials and construction labor). There isn't suddenly 10x more land on the planet because we all start using AI. Maybe we can make more land or build taller buildings, but it gets progressively more difficult and expensive. And because of NIMBY of course.

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Post by Arthurian »

cattown wrote: post #33

This article is kind of playful, but I think there’s a serious point here that’s not discussed enough. We’re being asked to usher in huge productivity gains by introducing AI to our workflows, but we’re not asking how does it help us? Not a lot of us stand to directly gain from our employers becoming more productive. I know everybody is afraid of getting fired and replaced with AI or whatever right now. But we should…

A thought I’ve been chewing on regarding this…. What if “what do we get out of this?” was built into the tool that we use? Something like a personal agent that you carry with you from job to job and that accumulates capabilities along with you? Getting exposure to more and different work could become something that you get a real, tangible benefit from.

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Post by packetlost »

Arthurian wrote: post #719
cattown wrote: post #33

This article is kind of playful, but I think there’s a serious point here that’s not discussed enough. We’re being asked to usher in huge productivity gains by introducing AI to our workflows, but we’re not asking how does it help us? Not a lot of us stand to directly gain from our employers becoming more productive. I know everybody is afraid of getting fired and replaced with AI or whatever right now. But we should…

A thought I’ve been chewing on regarding this…. What if “what do we get out of this?” was built into the tool that we use? Something like a personal agent that you carry with you from job to job and that accumulates capabilities along with you? Getting exposure to more and different work could become something that you get a real, tangible benefit from.

That would require technology that hasn't yet been created to be created. Tbh I'm happy with just having enough token spend to use on side projects for now.
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