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Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by timr »

scottyeager wrote: post #169

Refusing future applications to adjust status would be one thing (still wrong, in my opinion). The fact that they are canceling pending applications is simply evil. There will be so much unnecessary anguish and expense. I really feel for anybody who is now learning they will have to leave and wait years to come live in the US with their spouse, due to overstayed visas which were supposed to be forgiven under the stat…

> The fact that they are canceling pending applications is simply evil.

Where have you seen this documented? I haven't, and the only government statement I've seen about this was fairly clear that the change is for new applications.

I am genuinely asking. I have friends who are going through the process.

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Post by mktk1001 »

margorczynski wrote: post #500
tegiddrone wrote: post #407

My H1B coworker has paid $180k more in taxes than I have. We are the same age. He has fewer years working in USA than I have as a citizen. We calculated this by the data exposed by the mySocialSecurity website. I get to vote and he does not. Edit: s/green card/H1B/

Well the fundamental question is does one see the US as a nation or some economic zone/factory where your worth is determined by how much you produce. In the first case the paid taxes argument is pointless.

Is that the same line you take with people who argue that immigrants are a net drain on society and live off welfare?

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Post by RoadieRoller »

tamimio wrote: post #461
gdubs wrote: post #380

As an American, I just want to say that I'm very dismayed by the discourse around this topic over the past 24 hours in particular. The polarization of politics has become so intense, that the bipartisan mainstream position of just a couple of decades ago – that immigrants are a net positive to this country – feels like a distant dream. We've gone from perpetually punting the football on comprehensive immigration refo…

Immigrants are the low hanging fruit to attack, and the best to blame all your suffering on, meanwhile, the real issue is wealth distribution. Since covid, the very few people got mega wealthier while the majority suffered, do you just leave it as is for people to find out? No, you push other distractions like immigrants, race rage baits, and other nonsense to keep people busy fighting each other.

This ^ If it is secularism and religion in some countries, it is language and ethinicity in some other, and immigration and racism in America. Depends on the timing, and the need for it, politicians use it to their advantage.

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Post by Jblx2 »

jfengel wrote: post #158

I hear "I'm not anti immigrant, I'm anti illegal immigrant" a lot. To which there is an easy solution: increase the number of legal immigrants we allow. Instead we're doing exactly the opposite, cutting down on legal immigration as well. Making it hard for me to believe that it was ever about illegal immigration at all.

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Post by array_key_first »

hakrgrl wrote: post #704
yongjik wrote: post #580

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It very obviously was not self defense. People will always lie in these situations and claim self defense. But, driving near an ICE officer and saying mean things is not life threatening.

Maybe ICE are more cowardly than we should expect, and maybe that's something you're okay with. That still doesn't make it self defense, though. No reasonable person would kill in those circumstances.

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

hellojesus wrote: post #192
cogman10 wrote: post #165

So much of the US immigration process is built around punishing and exploiting. The primary reason for the strong border is allowing farms and construction companies to find cheap labor which can't complain about mistreatment. It helps that a decent portion of the population hates and/or is fearful anyone different from themselves. That is what's allowed for these even more draconian and brutal measures.

This is the part that is the wildest to me. The current system seems to generate a collection of second-class citizens: people we openly rely on for labor but that have no recourse if they're exploited and no regulatory protections such as minimum wage (even though I argue against min wage, if we're going to have it, have it!). My personal preference would be to allow nearly unlimited legal immigration but strip welf…

> This is the part that is the wildest to me. The current system seems to generate a collection of second-class citizens

What do you mean seems too. The biggest proponents of immigration routinely ask "who's going to work the fields?" As a call to allow immigration. I don't know how to interpret that as anything but importing an underclass.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by RoadieRoller »

1984throwaway wrote: post #395

Typing this from behind a VPN proxy, just in case but... Does anyone know if this mean that I as a US citizen, who has a spouse who has already applied/submitted their application (but has been waiting while the government drags its feet on it for over half a year), will now need to say goodbye? Things were already getting blurry when we moved quickly to get things in when we saw the winds in 24.... This is all so te…

Looks like it. And if you are from one of those 75+ countries, whose consulates have already stopped processing GC applications, you are cooked.

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Post by array_key_first »

testing22321 wrote: post #655
varenc wrote: post #443

The internal memo on this is interesting: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/memos/PM-... Essentially they're trying to change the rules by aggressive re-interpretation of the existing legal framework, and not actually changing any laws or regulations. I don't follow all of it, but it seems to be arguing that the "ordinary consular process", leaving the country and applying for a visa from abroad, is…

I don’t want to defend the cure administration, but it’s very common and normal for a country to require a person to leave to change status. Every time my Canadian work visa expired I had to drive over the border, enter the US, turn around and drive back to start the new one. The border guards call it “flag-poling” because you do a U turn around the flag pole. When I went from work visa to permanent resident I had to…

Okay but this has not been the case in the US and everyone knows that. We can try to make things up to rationalize why this being done.

Or, we can be honest, and acknowledge these actors have proven themselves to be irrational. What is happening is that an end-goal is desired, and then the trump administration is working backwards to make it happen.

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