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Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by fulafel »

nostrademons wrote: post #449
downrightmike wrote: post #440

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80% of the world's oil is not going through the straight at all. 5 years is still optimistic. Esp if we are starting wars to pump up the futures market

Doesn't take a huge decrease in production to result in a huge increase in price, due to inelasticity in demand. Renewables and EVs are a capital-intensive industry, and the thing about capital-intensive industries is that they're prone to bubbles. If you get a year or so of EVs being cheaper than gas cars, you will see a huge growth in sales as lots of consumers make the rational choice all at once. The spike in sal…

Yep.

Still, unfortunately switching to EVs is not the endgame. We have to stop fossils lower in the supply chain. Otherwise they'll be used for other forms of energy demand and get burned to heat up the atmosphere anyway.

Passenger cars cause roughly 10% of global energy-related CO2 emissions. USA has the world's highest per capita emissions.

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by rramadass »

don_esteban wrote: post #703
rramadass wrote: post #695

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You still are not reading any of the articles i have linked to nor understanding them. I did not say "five year from now, there will be far better bypass options"; that is the expert being quoted in the last linked article above. If you had read that you would know he was talking about the situation as a whole i.e. involving Saudi Arabia, Iraq, UAE and other gulf countries all of whom are looking at ways to bypass Ho…

I had a look over this entire chain of posts. We are still talking past each other. Your main point is long-term plans of UAE to increase its production and to build up its ability to bypass Hormuz. My main point is that in the short-term (say before 2030), UAE has no way to significantly increase its capability to bypass Hormuz, so to make effective use of the increase of its production, it is still dependent on Hor…

Your comment(s) are a perfect example of Trevanian's quote "Obtuseness was its own defense".

We are not talking past each other; You are simply trying to play "gotcha" games which i had to refute. I should also note that you have provided no sources of any kind.

I have already pointed out that UAE's output before the war was in the region of 2.9-3.5 bpd (this is variable OPEC cap) with ADCOP carrying 1.5-1.8 bpd. A little math will tell you that ADCOP was carrying between 43% and 62% of the cap and so i had mentioned a approximate mean of 50%. I have seen reports which mentioned that sometimes it fluctuated between 32% and 66% (now even more higher) based on OPEC caps/Hormuz situation.

I have also pointed out that ADCOP was constructed within 5 years and UAE has been working on Hormuz bypass options for well over a decade. Parallel pipelines would clearly not take as much time and we should easily see it by 2027/2028 since everything is being accelerated.

UAE is being a responsible "world citizen" when it comes to the all essential Oil economy and hence i do not appreciate FUD being spewed when actual facts are easily available.

Your last para are your fanciful opinions and have zero validity. The Iran conflict was simply a matter of "when" which just came to fruition now. As pointed out earlier, OPEC countries themselves were working on Hormuz bypass options for more than a decade. Iran has no friends in the Gulf region and hence UAE is fine; and whether you like it or not US/Israel are the only guarantors of security in the Gulf.

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by i_think_so »

ajross wrote: post #710
me-vs-cat wrote: post #709

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Commander TACO isn't a reference to CmdrTaco from Slashdot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Always_Chickens_Out

For the record: it was both, more or less. Some of the elders in this community were around in the Slashdot days, so it was sort of a pun on our shared cultural heritage, albeit not geopolitical strategy.

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Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by tovej »

troad wrote: post #707
tovej wrote: post #704

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Oh, Chomsky is by no means perfect. He's an Epstein associate. But you should still not spread misinformation. Also, America _has_ been accused of worse things than the Cambodian genocide (as far as genocides can be compared, but I'm following your lead on comparing atrocities here): take the genocide of the indigenous American population for one. But you're extrapolating quite a bit here. Could you please 1) provide…

Only on the Internet would someone so bombastically demand you do their homework for them. :) Thus far we have your claim v. mine. Not sure why an absence of evidence would somehow make you right and me wrong, nor am I sure why I bear any burden of proof when you're the one who's shown up out of nowhere to bandy around accusations of bad faith and demand to be disproven. For what it's worth, I don't consider your fac…

You are the one making a positive claim that Chomsky has done something. I can't prove the negative, therefore the burden of proof is on you.

"The necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges"

If by "factually deficient" you mean false, then that is the definition of misinformation. Which is of course separate from disinformation, which is when you do that purposefully.

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Post by philistine »

constantius wrote: post #705
philistine wrote: post #680

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Saying that no nations want to take Palestinian refugees does not make you a racist. The fact remains; no Middle Eastern nation wants Palestinian refugees, not for their genes, but for their politics.

"Saying that gays steal does not make you homophobic": technically true, but you're being selective with your understanding of facts. Most states (talking about decision-makers, not populations) don't want to take in large groups of refugees, not because of their genes or politics, but because it has a cost and risks (in terms of integration, gov perception, fuelling far right parties, etc.). Nothing to do with Middl…

I'm not saying anything about Palestinians themselves. Only the opinion of others about them.

I'm saying shop owners think that gays steal.

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Post by troad »

tovej wrote: post #714
troad wrote: post #707

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only on the Internet would someone so bombastically demand you do their homework for them. :) Thus far we have your claim v. mine. Not sure why an absence of evidence would somehow make you right and me wrong, nor am I sure why I bear any burden of proof when you're the one who's shown up out of nowhere to bandy around accusations of bad faith and demand to be disproven. For what it's worth, I don't consider your fac…

You are the one making a positive claim that Chomsky has done something. I can't prove the negative, therefore the burden of proof is on you. "The necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges" If by "factually deficient" you mean false, then that is the definition of misinformation. Which is of course separate from disinformation, which is when you do that purposefully.

On the contrary, if you wish to learn about Chomsky's views towards the Khmer Rouge, the onus is entirely on you to investigate Chomsky's work. Failing that you're entirely at the mercy of intermediated secondary sources of indeterminate levels of trustworthiness, including myself.

Considering the nuanced nature of the claim - a conclusion as to his sympathies borne of deep familiarly with his work - there's no reason for me to think you wouldn't find additional reasons to quibble over any specific citations and passages. I have no evidence that you're a good faith interlocutor, so I really see no reason to expend that effort. If you're actually interested, I do encourage you to read the original works. (If it wakes you up to Chomsky's sympathies and immunises you against some of his bad politics, perhaps not a total waste of time.)

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Post by thisislife2 »

shykes wrote: post #696
thisislife2 wrote: post #694

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Yes, the Iranian government has indeed targeted Jews suspected of working against Iran, especially when things were in a turmoil post-revolution, and that did lead to around 70%-80% of the community migrating to US and Israel. But I don't believe it is just the fear of persecution that was their motivation in migrating - for some it was zionism, for others it was more of the political ideological difference with the…

Your entire argument is built on a single source: Middle East Eye. That source is a known Qatar propaganda outlet, they do not meet even the lowest bar of journalistic integrity or credibility. You might as well be quoting Russia Today about the war in Uraine. A few facts about MEE: 1. During the 2017 diplomatic crisis with Qatar over their support of terrorism, Saudi Arabia and the UAE issued a list of demands to Qa…

In my country, Qatar is not considered as a "terrorist" sponsor. Neither is Hamas considered a terrorist organisation (like in most parts of the Global South). Neither is RT nor MEE nor Al-Jazeera banned or considered a part of any "terrorism network" - I treat them the same as any State run media outlet (including the BBC, DW, or NPR).

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by don_esteban »

rramadass wrote: post #712
don_esteban wrote: post #703

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a look over this entire chain of posts. We are still talking past each other. Your main point is long-term plans of UAE to increase its production and to build up its ability to bypass Hormuz. My main point is that in the short-term (say before 2030), UAE has no way to significantly increase its capability to bypass Hormuz, so to make effective use of the increase of its production, it is still dependent on Hor…

Your comment(s) are a perfect example of Trevanian's quote "Obtuseness was its own defense". We are not talking past each other; You are simply trying to play "gotcha" games which i had to refute. I should also note that you have provided no sources of any kind. I have already pointed out that UAE's output before the war was in the region of 2.9-3.5 bpd (this is variable OPEC cap) with ADCOP carrying 1.5-1.8 bpd. A l…

I will leave this one to shine on its own, there is really no need to add anything else:

"whether you like it or not US/Israel are the only guarantors of security in the Gulf"

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by shykes »

thisislife2 wrote: post #717
shykes wrote: post #696

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your entire argument is built on a single source: Middle East Eye. That source is a known Qatar propaganda outlet, they do not meet even the lowest bar of journalistic integrity or credibility. You might as well be quoting Russia Today about the war in Uraine. A few facts about MEE: 1. During the 2017 diplomatic crisis with Qatar over their support of terrorism, Saudi Arabia and the UAE issued a list of demands to Qa…

In my country, Qatar is not considered as a "terrorist" sponsor. Neither is Hamas considered a terrorist organisation (like in most parts of the Global South). Neither is RT nor MEE nor Al-Jazeera banned or considered a part of any "terrorism network" - I treat them the same as any State run media outlet (including the BBC, DW, or NPR).

> In my country, Qatar is not considered as a "terrorist" sponsor. Neither is Hamas considered a terrorist organisation

May I ask what country that is?

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by rramadass »

don_esteban wrote: post #718
rramadass wrote: post #712

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment(s) are a perfect example of Trevanian's quote "Obtuseness was its own defense". We are not talking past each other; You are simply trying to play "gotcha" games which i had to refute. I should also note that you have provided no sources of any kind. I have already pointed out that UAE's output before the war was in the region of 2.9-3.5 bpd (this is variable OPEC cap) with ADCOP carrying 1.5-1.8 bpd. A l…

I will leave this one to shine on its own, there is really no need to add anything else: "whether you like it or not US/Israel are the only guarantors of security in the Gulf"

Coincidentally, here is today's very relevant CNN article;

Israel and the UAE find common cause as the Iran war cracks old Middle East alliances - https://edition.cnn.com/2026/05/01/middleeast/israel-uae-mid...

Israel has actually deployed its Iron Dome defense systems in UAE! This is in addition to the US defense systems already deployed.

Q.E.D.

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