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Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by UncleMeat »

Natfan wrote: post #702
UncleMeat wrote: post #690

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In my time in HN I have seen numerous people advocate for the following * ending all covid measures to achieve herd immunity, accepting that this condemns hundreds of thousands or even millions to die * ending foreign aid that goes to tuberculosis treatments, condemning hundreds of thousands or even millions to die of a treatable disease * accepting the deaths of iranian, palestinian, or israeli children as collatera…

a single wealthy white male person

Yep. Tons of comments here justifying the murder of Jordan Neely when that happened,

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by sbarre »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #472
sbarre wrote: post #468

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You must sure live in a bubble.. Do you think ChatGPT has changed things for the majority of people who live on this planet? It has not.

It's changed them for me and everybody around me, and I live in Lake Saint Louis MO. Almost everyone says "yes" when I ask if they've used ChatGPT. That includes my therapist and a random AT&T rep I was calling to cancel my service. The majority of people on the planet don't affect the outcome of the future. Professionals do, and that's the group with the most noticeable changes. You can't possibly believe that ChatG…

Jesus did you re-read what you wrote before posting?

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

nl wrote: post #692
dwroberts wrote: post #612

Didn’t we just go through several weeks of hearing about OpenAI allowing its tech to be used for conducting warfare? Not saying that justifies harming Altman but I am confused that he seems surprised he is now in physical danger? [Or chalks it up to just some single specific incendiary article rather than the companies actual actions?] If you involve yourself in the act of killing people then, yeah, you’re going to g…

The US is still a democracy. It's absolutely ok to oppose war. It is absolutely not ok for "some people to want to hurt" someone who is running a company that is vying for contracts from a democratically elected government's defense department. It's also ok to protest that, to boycott it or to refuse to work for or with them for it. But escalating that to physical violence is not ok, and nor should people be "confuse…

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Post by dangus »

altmanaltman wrote: post #613
etempleton wrote: post #422

It is fair to be critical of Sam and other tech leaders regarding AI, but he has done nothing to begin to justify violence or even the threat of violence against him or his family.

Is there anything anyone can do that justifies violence or threats of violence? No. Even if that person is a proven child molestater, a just society stands on just law. But as far as political justification stands, he is as valid of a target for hostile nations just as Iranian nuclear scientists were (unless he has 0 involvment with USG). That's just the world we live in. Use your tech for war in other nations, you g…

I’m pretty sure if someone sexually assaulted my child or murdered them I’d be more than morally justified to get a few or a lot of punches in.

Some people are treated a whole lot better than others in prison.

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consumer451 wrote: post #699
dang wrote: post #575

I don't think I've ever seen a thread this bad on Hacker News*. The number of commenters justifying violence, or saying they "don't condone violence" and then doing exactly that, is sickening and makes me want to find something else to do with my life—something as far away from this as I can get. I feel ashamed of this community. * Edit: It would have been clearer to say "I've never seen a mob dynamic this bad on Hac…

It would be a huge loss and a real shame if you left permanently. I don't know how often you get to take a real vacation, somewhere away from the Internet and the USA, but this might be a good time to consider taking one?

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Post by bdangubic »

sbarre wrote: post #468
sillysaurusx wrote: post #454

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Huh? They literally did change the world. The world was one way before ChatGPT, and another way after. It's not even a question of whether we "believe" him. It's a factual statement. Did you quote the wrong thing?

You must sure live in a bubble.. Do you think ChatGPT has changed things for the majority of people who live on this planet? It has not.

perhaps I live in a blue collar bubble but I do not know a single person in my personal and professional circle whose lives haven’t significantly changed with AI. just this week I helped three families setup https://github.com/mimurchison/claude-chief-of-staff because one family set it up. prompts are being shared like bread recipes during C19

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Post by pillefitz »

arrowsmith wrote: post #649
pydry wrote: post #639

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Not ok, but anybody who is ok with terrorizing, say, an Iranian civilian nuclear scientist ought to be equally indifferent to this.

I’m not indifferent to either of them, but if you equate American tech executives with agents of the Iranian nuclear programme then I don’t care what you have to say on any subject ever

The former are doing way more damage to civilization

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Post by bogzz »

siva7 wrote: post #628
Jamesbeam wrote: post #616

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Unpopular opinion. It depends. I totally agree with your statement if we are talking about the average citizen starting to throw Molotovs at his house. If you’re afraid AI is taking your job, just do something else. It’s not the end of the world changing careers. Plenty of work AI won’t be able to do, or allowed to do without a human assisting in some way that secures the human a good income and way of life. So if th…

> If you say it’s valid and not a war crime for the US to assassinate former political Iranian figures and their families for aiding the new regime and therefore becoming enemy combatants in the eye of the US Military, it’s also valid to assassinate Altman and his family for doing the same to the other war party. Sam isn't a political leader, so this comparison is flawed. What the hell, are we really arguing about if…

Neither were the Iranian nuclear scientists.
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