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Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by p_ing »

benj111 wrote: post #708
p_ing wrote: post #695

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That makes absolutely no sense. 'vim' wasn't designed for multi-user use. Nor was emacs. Applications don't need to somehow be "designed" for multi-user systems. It's up to the underlying system to enforce application isolation in various ways, which NT has and does.

Does vim expect to be able to delete files in /bin? If vim tried to create, modify and delete files willy nilly It would quickly run into problems. I would guess vim keeps it's temp files in /tmp and config files in ~/.vimrc? Windows doesn't/didn't have any of this. If you want to be compatible with lotus123 and lotus123 writes it's tmp files to the root directory, you need to keep it writable, or you break lotus123.

Windows handled this via virtualization[0]. What you assume is false because it was specifically planned for by Microsoft.

[0] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/applicati...

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by yencabulator »

Zigurd wrote: post #221
ChocolateGod wrote: post #120

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> It's nuts Windows is still the go-to for anything these days despite everyone knowing what a parasitic Linux still doesn't have anywhere near as nice and cohesive as Group Policy, Active Directory etc. Plus you can pay Microsoft to host it all for you on Azure.

Personal computers were used in office environments long before the technologies to make them administer-able as if they were a mainframe. Before blindly jumping in and reproducing those technologies, better to ask why they emerged in the first place. Most workplaces don't have strict bans on personal mobile devices, and some of the ones that do, don't have the kind of physical perimeter defense that can detect peopl…

You're thinking security and that's a big part of it, but another part of this remote admin locked down UI demand is support & minimizing training cost. Everyone clicks the same icon in the same location to start the same business app and it starts up the same way for everyone. End users can't screw up their setup.

Long time ago I supported Linux&Windows desktops in an organization that chose to allow per-user customization, with the trade-off that if you ask for support, what support offers to do is reset your desktop (not data files) to default -- and that fixed practically all issues.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by benj111 »

p_ing wrote: post #711
benj111 wrote: post #708

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does vim expect to be able to delete files in /bin? If vim tried to create, modify and delete files willy nilly It would quickly run into problems. I would guess vim keeps it's temp files in /tmp and config files in ~/.vimrc? Windows doesn't/didn't have any of this. If you want to be compatible with lotus123 and lotus123 writes it's tmp files to the root directory, you need to keep it writable, or you break lotus123.

Windows handled this via virtualization[0]. What you assume is false because it was specifically planned for by Microsoft. [0] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/applicati...

Uac is the thing that broke lots of things back in the vista days.

'planned' is a bit strong when it had to be added after the fact.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by jamdolomite »

himata4113 wrote: post #349
senko wrote: post #322

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Care to write it up somewhere? Would be a fascinating read!

Unfortunately doing something like that will simply make anticheats respond as they have in the past and make it increasingly difficult to do so. I did contemplate playing this cat and mouse game and making anticheats accept that it's easier to just support linux instead of fighting it.

What about in regards to streaming separate applications through looking glass?

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by lionkor »

bcjdjsndon wrote: post #326
lionkor wrote: post #191

All the comments about Linux gaming make me want to give my $0.02. I've been gaming on Linux, with no Windows installed anywhere, for around 6 years. In the first 3 years, it was a massive pain. Games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. would consistently have issues with mouse input, weird acceleration, a lot of games wouldn't run at all. This is NO LONGER the case at all. Things run very well out of the box. All games I want to pl…

> Things run very well out of the box. > a good number of wheels, pedals, joysticks, VR headsets, and other wild and wacky input devices might not work that well or not at all > If a game has an aggressive anticheat, like Battlefield 6 or Valorant, it will not work and you can forget about it > Not sure about VR, but I know it was a bit dire 1-2 years ago The determination of the average Linux user to ignore the faul…

These aren't faults of Linux, they are faults of hardware vendors. There is nothing(!!) Linux or the community can do if the hardware vendors decide to not support Linux at all.

I know that's not what you meant, but to less technical folks, it will read like you meant that it's somehow something Linux can fix.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by lionkor »

satvikpendem wrote: post #335
craftkiller wrote: post #330

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Aggressive anticheat not supporting Linux is not a fault of Linux. It is a fault of the aggressive anticheat and the games that decide to use it.

It doesn't matter whose fault it is, I go where the games actually work and are playable, which is still Windows today for many games.

Its a matter of language. When non-technical people here "Linux doesn't support anticheat", that's a lot different than when they hear "anticheat chooses to block Linux".

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by lionkor »

satvikpendem wrote: post #336
pjmlp wrote: post #299

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Playing Linux or Windows native games, because that is the whole issue, it is hardly any different than asserting there are Linux games when they are actually Amiga games running with UAE. Those games running on Proton are still produced on a Windows factory.

I wonder if there actually are any native modern Linux games, I don't recall any.

There are a suprising number of games with a native Linux version, like ArmA 3 (which is an ancient, broken, outdated port, but it exists and used to install by default), or Minecraft, and plenty of other games have native linux versions that aren't advertised anywhere. Vintage Story is native and runs super well.

Due to a lack of testing on all parts of that pipeline, it's usually better for performance and stability to run the Windows version via Proton anyway.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by UK-Al05 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #79
UK-Al05 wrote: post #23

These are almost always negation strategies rather than serious initiatives.

Sometimes yeah, but clearly not in this case, if you took the time to actually read the article. You don't ask entire ministries and public operators to formulate a migration plan from Windows to Linux with a relatively short deadline just for negotiation purposes or just for the fun of it, you do that once you're committed to actually migrating. This is not just a pilot project or some local administration doing an…

I've seen multiple countries do exactly that, then quietly drop it after a few years. If it doesn't look serious that doesn't actually help negotiate.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by lionkor »

smusamashah wrote: post #459
lionkor wrote: post #191

All the comments about Linux gaming make me want to give my $0.02. I've been gaming on Linux, with no Windows installed anywhere, for around 6 years. In the first 3 years, it was a massive pain. Games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. would consistently have issues with mouse input, weird acceleration, a lot of games wouldn't run at all. This is NO LONGER the case at all. Things run very well out of the box. All games I want to pl…

The DB lists popular games, what about indie games coming out every day?

If they are built on Godot, Unity, Unreal, or are built with SDL+OpenGL or SDL+DirectX or C# MonoGame any kind of combination that is reasonably common in the last 20 years, it'll run well

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by 0x457 »

localuser13 wrote: post #700
0x457 wrote: post #582

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Just pick nixOS and provide base nixosConfiguration. tada.

Reality more surprising than HN quips: https://github.com/cloud-gouv/securix

Neat. Even has a generalized example: https://github.com/cloud-gouv/bureautix-example
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