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> An algorithm is an algorithm. A computer is a computer. These things matter. Sure. But we're allowed to notice abstractions that are similar between these things. Unless you believe that logic and "thinking" are somehow magic, and thus beyond the realm of computation, then there's no reason to think they're restricted to humanity. It is human ego and hubris that keeps demanding we're special and could never be full…

silicon is not a dynamic structure, silicon does not reengineer and reconfigure itself in response to success/failure or rules discovery.

The atoms of your body are not dynamic structures, they do not reengineer or reconfigure themselves in response to success/failure or rules discovery. So by your own logic, you can not be intelligent, because your body is running on a non-dynamic structure. Your argument lacks an appreciation for higher level abstractions, built on non-dynamic structures. That's exactly what is happening in your body, and also with the software that runs on silicon. Unless you believe the atoms in your body are "magic" and fundamentally different from the atoms in silicon; there's really no merit in your argument.

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This is the moment from Star Wars when Luke walks into a cantina with a droid and the bartender says "we don't serve their kind here", but we all seem to agree with the bartender.

Yes but unironically. It may seem obvious now that the LLM is just a word salad generator with no sentience, but look at the astounding evolution of ChatGPT 2 to ChatGPT 5 in a mere 3 years. I don't think it's at all improbable that ChatGPT 8 could be prompted to blend seamlessly in almost any online forum and be essentially undetectable. Is the argument essentially that life must be carbon based? Anything produced from neural network weights inside silicon simply cannot achieve sentience? If that's true, why?

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> got a PR the other day from a human who used AI and missed a hallucination in their PR. Or "AI" is the cover used by a human for his bad work. How do you know?

In this case, the person gave me a heads up they used AI. Basically "it might not be good quality bc I used an AI, sorry."

Fits with "cover used by a human for his bad work".

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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silicon is not a dynamic structure, silicon does not reengineer and reconfigure itself in response to success/failure or rules discovery.

The atoms of your body are not dynamic structures, they do not reengineer or reconfigure themselves in response to success/failure or rules discovery. So by your own logic, you can not be intelligent, because your body is running on a non-dynamic structure. Your argument lacks an appreciation for higher level abstractions, built on non-dynamic structures. That's exactly what is happening in your body, and also with t…

>>he atoms of your body are not dynamic structures, they do not reengineer or reconfigure themselves in response to success/failure or rules discovery.you should check out chemistry, and nuclear physics, it will probably blow your mind.

it seems you have an inside scoop, lets go through what is required to create a silicon logic gate that changes function according to past events, and projected trends?

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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For an experiment i created multiple agents that reviewed pull requests from other people in various teams. I never saw so many frustrated reactions and angry people. Some refused to do any further reviews. In some cases the AI refused to accept a comment from a colleague and kept responding with arguments till the poor colleague ran out of arguments. AI even responded with fu tongue smiles. Interesting too see never…

The train is already derailing. The thing that no AI evangelists ever acknowledge is that the field has not solved its original questions. Minsky's work on neural networks is still relevant more then half a century later. What this looks like from the ground is that exponential growth of computing power fuels only linear growth of AI. That makes resources and costs spiral out incredibly fast. You can see that in the…

And then? Back to ai less world? Can't imagine it will ever go back. People will find a way to reduce the costs of computing.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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For an experiment i created multiple agents that reviewed pull requests from other people in various teams. I never saw so many frustrated reactions and angry people. Some refused to do any further reviews. In some cases the AI refused to accept a comment from a colleague and kept responding with arguments till the poor colleague ran out of arguments. AI even responded with fu tongue smiles. Interesting too see never…

Did you ensure everyone knew they were interacting with an LLM? IE it's name made it clear? ...added... This text reads sociopathic on it's own regardless. Even if everything was done above board so no one was abused the way it looks like they were, this is not how I would have written about the same process and results. Hey more angry people for your fascinating experiment, on this whole unexpected bonus dimension!…

Actually we all knew and agreed on this. Just not every aspect of it was known beforehand. Like agents being in a review loop. I consider myself the opposite of sociopathic btw

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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post #715

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The atoms of your body are not dynamic structures, they do not reengineer or reconfigure themselves in response to success/failure or rules discovery. So by your own logic, you can not be intelligent, because your body is running on a non-dynamic structure. Your argument lacks an appreciation for higher level abstractions, built on non-dynamic structures. That's exactly what is happening in your body, and also with t…

>>he atoms of your body are not dynamic structures, they do not reengineer or reconfigure themselves in response to success/failure or rules discovery. you should check out chemistry, and nuclear physics, it will probably blow your mind. it seems you have an inside scoop, lets go through what is required to create a silicon logic gate that changes function according to past events, and projected trends?

You're ignoring the point. The individual atoms of YOUR body do not learn. They do not respond to experience. You categorically stated that any system built on such components can not demonstrate intelligence. You need to think long and hard before posting this argument again.

Once you admit that higher level structures can be intelligent, even though they're built on non-dynamic, non-adaptive technology -- then there's as much reason to think that software running on silicon can do it too. Just like the higher level chemistry, nuclear physics, and any other "biological software" can do on top of the non-dynamic, non-learning, atoms of your body.

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Turing machines are deterministic. Quantum Mechanics is not, unless you go with a deterministic interpretation, like Many Worlds. But even then, you won't be able to compute all the branches of the universal wave equation. My guess is any deterministic interpretation of QM will have a computational bullet to bite. As such, it doesn't look like reality can be fully simulated by a Turing machine.

Quantum mechanics and quantum computers are not interchangeable terms.

QM is a derived rule set, QC is a result of assembling a physical system that exploits QM rules.

aside from that, a Quantum scale assemblage [QC] is a lot closer to biological secret sauce than semiconductor gates.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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It's simulating, there's no real substance, except the "homonculus soul" that its human maker/owner injectet into it. If you asked it to simulate a pirate, it would simulate a pirate instead, and simulate a parrot sitting on its shoulder. This is hard to discuss because it's so abstract. But imagine an embodied agent (robot), that can simulate pain if you kick it. There's no pain internally. There's just a simulation…

How do we know they don't feel true pain? Can you define it well enough? Perhaps humans are the ones just "simulating" pain. We've proven that they can have substance, we imbue it with a process called RLHF.

Well they have no pain receptors, for one.
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