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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by zo1 »

watwut wrote: post #657
zo1 wrote: post #621

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I don't think we conceptually live in the same universe if you think those things about the democratic 2024 messaging. I just don't understand how you and your opposing commenters can have any meaningful discussion if you're so wildly differing in interpretation of such a public topic.

It is simple, what "opposing commenters" are talking about, is what REPUBLICANS said that democrats are saying. You know, what Trump, Vance and the rest of Fox news were accusing democrats of. I would note that these are not exactly notorious truth tellers. The person I responded to likely never listened to or cared about what democratic politicians are saying.

But you could say the same thing the other way, that's the point. I.e. you're not listening to what Republicans are actually saying but rather what "Democrats" are saying the republicans are saying.

Even your response is oblivious to the point, and you're doubling-down on "only the other side (Republicans) is liars, my side aren't liars" as a way to address the fundamentally different realities you and them seem to occupy.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by Esophagus4 »

lm28469 wrote: post #630
Esophagus4 wrote: post #391

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Uhhh... 800m active users?

Uhhh... barely 5% paying users? The day they ask 1 cent from free users they'll go to the countless alternatives

Lolol

They’re not going to. You’re rooting so hard for a downfall that won’t happen. They’re going to be an advertising giant.

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Post by oblio »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #588
coffe2mug wrote: post #526

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I really think we (as OCI/NRI) should move on from using Jallianwala or whatever. This doesn't help. Don't use BS to justify. Every damn guy that get visa refused uses this and in a way insults those sacrifices. Come to reality. Present or at least last 10 years. Who did what? You need to fix your own country. Even if British didn't invade - the princely states of India were feuding. Fighting. If it was not one count…

Wtf am I reading... How can you even suggest moving from Jallianwala bagh when so many people were killed in the most gruesome way. I suggest you to watch the documentary once and then go ahead and suggest the same. > Come to reality. Present or at least last 10 years. ??? No, it is our bloody past that we will never forget what the British did that day. Even British historians from documentaries mention that people…

FYI, you seem shaken by what you saw, but I do have to point out a few things:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre

1. This massacre happened 107 years ago. None of the people involved are even alive any more. In some cases even their children or grand-children are no longer with us. Judging children by the sins of their parents leads nowhere.

2. Holding grudges for so long does not seem healthy for the person holding them.

3. Another commenter points out that India is looking for a trade agreement with the UK... I guess the government of India doesn't hold the same view point as you (as an outsider, your viewpoint seems very extreme).

Edit: found the trade agreement: https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/uk-india-trade-dea...

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

LunaSea wrote: post #665
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #249

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India. Today India invited President of EU commission on its republic day & I feel like there are discussions on signing free trade agreement. I was in my car watching it live when I recognized the President of EU commissioner and I was like hey!! I feel like friendly relations of EU and India are definitely on the rise & I have said this previously as well and talked to my other cousins/family who works in Coding an…

India's position on Russia means it's a non-starter as a serious trade partner.

India doesn't really have a position on Russia/Ukraine itself but wants peace within the region.

Yes, India does seek russian oil but that's because I feel like India and russian trade deals have been from the start of cold war where America supported pakistan.

If you actually observe our history, we were hesitant about joining any block but it was the fact that America started investing in Pakistan which made us closer to russia.

I feel like the average person is either Ukraine supporting/Neutral for what its worth.

That being said, I feel like India's just looking out for its own interests. (Ahem America's attacking venezuela for oil)

I feel like if this is such an non-starter, then India has made its stance clear that its always willing to co-operate to grow its country and if EU gives a more lucrative deal to India. I feel like India can slowly decrease its dependence on Russian oil as well.

The thing is, EU right now is in this position because it got so reliant on America. We had seen this during cold war and we have always kept our cards open while still maintaining peace. I feel like India should look after its own interests first and foremost and see when objectives align (something canadian's PM said recently too and Trump got so angry on him that he's again talking about raising 100% tariffs)

Honestly full support to Ukraine. I hope a peace deal can be arranged in Ukraine-russia.

That being said, if you feel like EU's gotten a better partner (Americas invading Greenland, China's authoritarian, which other country has the tech innovation close to India?) then sure, I hope EU does whats in best of its incentives as well.

But my honest bet is that India is EU's best bet to move from American techno-dependence given recent Greenland crisis.

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Post by JCattheATM »

mlrtime wrote: post #647
JCattheATM wrote: post #518

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Moderate/smoderate. There was an insane choice, which people chose to vote to the detriment of most, and a sane candidate, which people rejected due to misinformation and bigotry.

>misinformation and bigotry Please don't keep repeating this, this is why Democrats lost. Being out of touch.

No, they lost because much of the population is bigoted and did fall for misinformation. People started sharing the nonsense about Haitians eating cats and dogs, they fell for the transpanic ads...and many were still not comfortable with a woman in charge. Misinformation and bigotry, and it's not out of touch to recognize that.

The problem is with the people more than the party, and fighting that so we can actually progress the country out of the dark ages is an uphill battle.

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Post by SirMaster »

Epa095 wrote: post #373
SirMaster wrote: post #321

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So AOSP would survive fine after stopping taking in new code from Google?

What scenario is this? If AOSP is suddenly the only acceptable smart-os on phones for 600 million people, I think it would work out yes.

Isn’t that the scenario in this post? Cutting all ties with US companies. So they would stop using code written by Google. Isn’t most of the AOSP code written upstream by Google?

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Post by watwut »

arjie wrote: post #535
terminalshort wrote: post #519

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Germany elected Hitler and we pretty much trusted them again in less than 20 years.

That is a sound point. I don't think your comment should be grey. In practice, I don't think geopolitics is played in the style of "Yurusenai!" that a lot of online commenters make it sound like. The world wasn't in some benevolent kumbaya between the various players involved here. America perhaps pioneered the mutual-defense agreement as an expansion of de-facto borders. America can attack you if you attack any of i…

> So long as Europe benefits from America and America benefits from Europe and both can put in changes that cement such commitment in the future, I think we will return to a powerful Western bloc - which I (personally) think is good for all humanity.

Problem is, right now America is the biggest threat to Europe. And there is no way to cement the commitment you talk about with America as is - regardless of whether Trump goes. Without Trump, you still have one major party actively hostile to Europe.

Trumps policies are not some kind of aberration, they are exactly what conservatives worked for. Republican party clapped threats to annex Greenland. Without trump project 2025 will be updated to project 2029 or whatever, with more lobbying and "lessons learned" strategy. The threat of this happening again, but this time causing even more harm will be there for foreseeable future.

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Post by plaidfuji »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #374
xracy wrote: post #307

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At this point I am praying that one of the things pushing back on this administration will be American Companies that have gotten rich on the back of "American Globalism", learning just how much it hurts when the US doesn't do its responsibility to remain Allies with it's nominal Allies. And the EU, Canada, and anyone else who the current US administration is slighting, should absolutely be moving cash hard and fast…

There is no unringing this bell. Maybe a sane administration would slow the migration, but the damage is done. America is a capricious partner who can flip the table at any moment.

Exactly. Trump is just the messenger. The underlying problem, festering for decades, is that a large enough fraction of the US population thought that Trump was even remotely qualified to lead a country to begin with.

The fact that we didn’t immediately remove him after the Greenland letter just demonstrated to our allies that that same fraction of people also don’t value our relationship with Europe.

The CCP looks thoughtful and stable by comparison. It’s too bad that the result of this will be to force more people to align with them, because they’re just as self-serving as Trump, they just have the good sense and temperament to hide their true intentions.

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Post by watwut »

zo1 wrote: post #711
watwut wrote: post #657

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It is simple, what "opposing commenters" are talking about, is what REPUBLICANS said that democrats are saying. You know, what Trump, Vance and the rest of Fox news were accusing democrats of. I would note that these are not exactly notorious truth tellers. The person I responded to likely never listened to or cared about what democratic politicians are saying.

But you could say the same thing the other way, that's the point. I.e. you're not listening to what Republicans are actually saying but rather what "Democrats" are saying the republicans are saying. Even your response is oblivious to the point, and you're doubling-down on "only the other side (Republicans) is liars, my side aren't liars" as a way to address the fundamentally different realities you and them seem to o…

I am saying what republicans are saying and were saying. You are either not listening to them or just lying about what they said.

> I.e. you're not listening to what Republicans are actually saying but rather what "Democrats" are saying the republicans are saying.

You can do that, but you would be lying.

> you're doubling-down on "only the other side (Republicans) is liars, my side aren't liars"

Yes, republicans lie more. That includes situation around the two murders in Minnesota. That includes claims that European NATO members never helped USA.

> as a way to address the fundamentally different realities you and them seem to occupy.

There is one reality and one "side" is lying about it a lot. Starting to lie the same way as they do wont solve the problem, it will make it worst.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

antalis wrote: post #695
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #626

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That seems like a downside to me, but as a Linux user, I tend to shun Microsoft products. I do have to use Teams occasionally for work and bizarrely the web client in Firefox works far better than the native Linux Teams client. Not particularly difficult as the Linux Teams client wouldn't do anything except display a blank box (this was on Ubuntu).

That's not surprising: https://itsfoss.gitlab.io/post/the-official-microsoft-teams-...

Yeah, I did notice an issue with feature parity with their application.

I hadn't heard about PWAs (Progressive Web Apps) before, but it doesn't look like they're commonly used on Linux. At a first glance, they look a bit similar to ActiveX to me.

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