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Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by lostlogin »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #551
david-gpu wrote: post #382

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Disingenuous? Plenty of people live without a car.

By choice? Life is short enough, I don’t need to waste it providing power to travel to work and back when I can save 1.5 hours per work day driving. (And more if I go to lunch.)

> I can save 1.5 hours per work day driving. (And more if I go to lunch.)

That’s going to depend where you live. Commuting by bike is half to one third the time it takes to drive for my commute. One work location is 8km away, the other is 15km.

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Post by vlovich123 »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #575
vlovich123 wrote: post #207

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Sorry, the country with nukes, nuclear submarines, a massive navy and a permanent member on the UN Security Council isn’t recognized as a superpower? By whom?

What massive Navy would that be?

China has an estimated number of 370 battle force ships to the US’s 296 (US has 11 aircraft carriers to China’s 3). China’s total fleet displacement is about half but their ship building capacity is significantly higher. They are generally ranked second today behind the US and have been there since the last 2010s when they overtook Russia. They’ve been number 3 since 1987.

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Post by wilg »

Esophagus4 wrote: post #501
korhojoa wrote: post #489

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That is some whataboutism. You do realize that net zero homes are buildable? Even in surprisingly challenging climates. There are so many ways to make better use of the energy we have available than to waste a bunch of it to pollute the air.

Zero greenhouse emissions isn't a remotely achievable goal. I hope you have never run a technology project this way by starting with a goal that simply can't be accomplished; you would have set it up to fail, demoralized your team, and chased the wrong priorities. The goal is net zero, meaning, emissions added = emissions removed. There must be an allowance for some emissions. Industrial human life cannot continue wi…

Net zero is what I'm talking about.

Your Corolla is worse than a BEV because it puts way more GHG in the atmosphere, making net zero harder. Your opinion that the Corolla emits less GHG than a BEV is not borne out by the data. Most of the pollution of your car is from using it, not building it. EVs flip that and only are only slightly worse to produce. And we have to replace pretty much every road vehicle with a zero emission one, and sooner is better.

Buying the new EV, selling your old car, and helping push ICE vehicles off the roads is better than not replacing it in any reasonable environmental accounting.

Also, 15% is... a very significant percentage. You have to do lots of efficiency improvements across every part of the world to make net zero happen. Not to mention that slice of the pie would grow to 30-40% if electricity goes zero-carbon.

And we simply have the technology to zero it out. But, like you, most people want to invent a reason the green technology is actually bad.

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Post by com2kid »

prmoustache wrote: post #305
morsch wrote: post #269

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Children tend to move around.

Most people are just crap at parenting. Whenever I am moving a car backward to park or unpark my car, I ask everybody to stand at a specific place where I see them, regardless if they are adults or kids. So yes everyone is right, yes a lots of people are just bad at taking basic safety measures but backup cameras are still a necessity because this will not change, it is even worse with people doomscrolling their smar…

> Whenever I am moving a car backward to park or unpark my car, I ask everybody to stand at a specific place where I see them, regardless if they are adults or kids.

How does that help other people walking down a sidewalk?

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Post by m463 »

melenaboija wrote: post #166
bnchrch wrote: post #2

While the headline is interesting. I think the table at the end of the article is more so. - Worldwide sales -10% YoY - China sales -26% YoY And when you cross compare Porsche saying they sold more EV powertrains than their gas equivalents against China's new found foothold as the market leader in consumer electric cars (BYD, NIO, Xiaomi, etc...) Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car domin…

> Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car dominance, but of the (very potential) rise of China as the premier automotive super power. It’s done man. Americans are stuck in ICE engines because they’ve been told they’re “car enthusiasts” while the Chinese have been developing EV technology for years. Meanwhile, European makers are stuck not knowing what to do, make Americans happy or compete w…

> Americans are stuck in ICE engines because they’ve been told they’re “car enthusiasts”

actually I think there are two strange things going on.

Tesla has completely dominated acceleration vs ice cars. The model S can dor 0-60 in (admittedly fudged) 1.99 seconds. The model 3 performance has 500 or 600 horsepower.

This has created lots of EV enthusiasts.

BUT - they have also been screwing things up.

By taking away displays like the dashboard in model 3, or controls like drive select, turn signals and putting everything on the touchscreen... there's a really terrible UI. Who can be an enthusiast without being part of the car control equation?

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Post by sehansen »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #560
gambiting wrote: post #390

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>>So what is more practical, charging your car overnight without an electric plug or going to the gas station for a few minutes? 100x charging your car overnight with a plug. I don't think people who don't own an EV realize how great that is. Imagine if your petrol car magically got refilled with fuel every single night - add up all of those "few minutes" spent at a petrol station over your lifetime, and realize how…

Please don’t repeat the myth that your car is getting refilled every very night unless you are charging to 100% every night or are willing to concede your range is 80% of the stated range.

If your daily driving needs can be fulfilled with 80% charge, you're coming out to a car that is effectively full every morning. Remember you still have the option to charge to 100% if you know you need to go longer the following day.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

embedding-shape wrote: post #393
qiqitori wrote: post #18

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I keep seeing "underequipped technologically relative to their Chinese peers" on HN. What kind of stuff is missing? This is not a loaded question, I only drive a couple times a month, and the vehicle I'm driving is an older Prius, so I probably lack imagination. EVs are supposed to be technologically pretty simple, most of an EV's value being in the battery packs. I've been thinking about upgrading, perhaps to a Niss…

> What kind of stuff is missing? I'm in the market for buying a new car, either EV or hybrid. Currently have a Audi, been looking at various BYD models, particularly the new Touring one. One important feature, that I didn't know I needed before I tried it, was in-seat AC, where the air from the AC hits the back and bottom, instead of just your arms and face. Living in a warm country, and spending most of the time in…

> Doing the same but going to BYD: 35K EUR.

To add insult to injury - a good portion of it is tariff (which in itself is just countering CN government subsidy)

I'd be careful buying Chinese EV's purely due to sanction/markup depreciation, on top of already hard EV depreciation.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #604
GlacierFox wrote: post #13

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EV cars are mostly just appliances now. Not sure how the prestigious Porsche badge (or any other really) can stand out into the future.

According to (enthusiast) car magazines, Porsche BEVs are still better at being Porsches than most of the competition.

In Doug Demuro's list 4 out of top 6 are EVs. Porsche appears at #17. Incidentally it's an EV.

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Post by hdgvhicv »

rswail wrote: post #416
hdgvhicv wrote: post #293

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My last MOT in a petrol engine required suspension, tyres and lights. Electric wouldn’t change any of that

Lights with LEDs are likely to not need maintenance. Suspension and tyres might actually need more frequent maintenance because of the extra weight of an EV. But how often does suspension require actual maintenance?

Petrol cars have led lights now too.

It’s an alignment problem, trivial fix.

The suspension is a rust issue, I believe EVs are still made of metal.

Given in the last 3 years I’ve only spent money on tyres, replacement wing mirror, and now suspension on this car, and you assert an EV needs more spending on tyres and suspension, it seems that an equivalent EV would be higher maintenence costs.

I’m sure things are different at the high end of the market where you’re spending £10k on a nearly new car, but at my end where it’s under £2k it doesn’t make sense.

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Post by chakintosh »

epolanski wrote: post #467
chakintosh wrote: post #389

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> but of the (very potential) rise of China as the premier automotive super power. It's done. They're already the premier automotive superpower now. It might not seem like it in Europe and USA, but anywhere else in the world they are dominating. I live in Morocco and I am not exaggerating when I say that every week I see a new Chinese brand on the road. Not just cars of the same brand, completely new brands. Dacia an…

In Europe there's plenty of Chinese cars to be honest. And they often outsell European cars price-to-price, even through tariffs. It's crazy. The whole topic of tariffs on their cars is also very complicated that European automakers aren't in favour of, because large parts of their sales come from outside Europe.

And Chinese brands are more than willing to tank the prices to absorb those tariffs
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