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Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by Aurornis »

tempest_ wrote: post #708
Aurornis wrote: post #700

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> The modern US pickup truck isn't built for utility. It's a $60,000 four-door lifted luxobarge with leather interior and a short bed. It signals (perceived) wealth while preserving working-class alignment. Reading the HN version of truck drivers is such a stark contrast to interfacing with actually contractors on a day to day basis. A vehicle being comfortable and luxurious isn’t something only the bourgeoisie can a…

No, but a sprinter van is going to provide better actual utility for most trades and a 80k f150 platinum is a long way away from a white 2 door long bed which can make the spend not make sense business wise. As you say though I do see trades workers with the fancy pickup trucks (often with a trailer, cant scratch that bed paint aha) which I attribute to low interest on auto loans and poor business sense.

> but a sprinter van is going to provide better actual utility for most trades

Certain jobs in certain trades, not all of them

> and a 80k f150 platinum

Base F150 starts at half that. This is silly

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Post by tempest_ »

aeonik wrote: post #591
3ple_alpha wrote: post #573

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Vans work just fine on mountain roads. And driving off road is simply not a thing for like 99% of drivers. Reality is, people buy these things thinking they would drive them off road, and never actually do it. It's possible to make an off-road van, by the way. It's just that real demand is so vanishingly small that you don't really see them.

Having grown up in the mountains, and currently living in a hilly snowy area, no thanks I'll keep my SUV. My in laws have a mini van, and it's not great. I deal and have dealt with enough deep snow that would eat a van. I still might get a Sienna Hybrid for daily commuter

He said Van, not mini van. I think you two are thinking of different vehicles.

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Post by vablings »

potato3732842 wrote: post #543
vablings wrote: post #385

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Sure, you can. Two kids up front and your wife in the bed. Jokes aside I could purchase a new hatchback and a small old Kei truck for a fraction of the cost of something like an f150

>Sure, you can. Two kids up front and your wife in the bed. Quieter than the other way around.

At least this way round its perfectly legal in some states

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Post by mjmsmith »

JPKab wrote: post #567
autoexec wrote: post #216

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> Wahhh I bought my car to make a statement and now it makes the wrong statement and I am self-conscious about it!!”. I I read it exactly the opposite. Somebody bought a car not because they were making a statement but just because they thought it was cool, only to find out later Elon was a nazi nutjob, and they don't want people to think they bought it because they share the same views.

You're labeling someone a "Nazi nut job" over nothing. It's juvenile and silly and screams "midwit overly absorbed into political news." Enjoy your unearned moral superiority. It's a thin blanket against the cold wind of mediocrity, but you do you.

In 2026, if you're genuinely unaware of his white supremacist opinions, perhaps you need to be more absorbed into [sic] political news.

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Post by tempest_ »

dylan604 wrote: post #535
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Never understood why the yanks don't like vans? Pickups are much less popular here in the UK, many more people use vans. A crew cab van with removable seats is infinitely more flexible than a pickup, other than long stuff which you chuck on a roof rack.

Yanks never got cool vans. Vans also became synonymous with Chester the Molester. Yanks also had Chevy Astro as an option. I grew up with the family owning a full sized custom van with 2 rows of captain chairs and the third row bench folding out into a bed. From all of the bitching in the driveway, vans were not pleasant to work on the engine. Some of them had to remove a cover from inside the van to gain access, and…

Vans had tones of popularity. They are an iconic part of 60s culture(minibus) and 80s as well(A Team van)

There are two current reasons

- Millennials grew up in minivans and its viewed as a mom mobile and they don't want that look (despite the fact that most family SUVs are basically mini vans with out the sliders

- US laws favour light trucks

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Post by ak217 »

Dibes wrote: post #657
ashtonbaker wrote: post #198

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I actually leased a Kia EV6 recently without too much research into the charging situation, assuming that in 2025 it was probably pretty well figured out, and I could just do as you propose and just charge in small bursts at the grocery store etc. But: - It didn't come with a home charger at all. They're not cheap. - It came with a J1772 adapter, but no CCS adapter. The car itself has NACS. So I'm limited to Tesla su…

The thing is, for most people a standard wall outlet is plenty. The math works out that a simple 15/20 amp circuit can charge over 40 miles overnight, and the vast majority of people aren't driving more than that for their daily commute plus errands. Level 1 charging is genuinely sufficient most of the time. I was particularly swayed by the technology connections video on this topic I watched before buying my first E…

Sorry, I love Technology Connections as much as anyone, but that's a ridiculous argument. Even people who drive less than 40 miles a day will occasionally need to drive 100 miles a day for two days back to back. That's not even a long distance trip, it's just driving around. With level 1 charging they are stuck and frustrated. With level 2 they're fine. Not to mention the hassle and mental energy required to plug in and out for every little trip.

For most people a 240V outlet is worth it. Not to mention it's at least 10% more efficient, which is quite significant and weird that Technology Connections didn't mention that.

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Post by tempest_ »

Aurornis wrote: post #711
tempest_ wrote: post #708

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No, but a sprinter van is going to provide better actual utility for most trades and a 80k f150 platinum is a long way away from a white 2 door long bed which can make the spend not make sense business wise. As you say though I do see trades workers with the fancy pickup trucks (often with a trailer, cant scratch that bed paint aha) which I attribute to low interest on auto loans and poor business sense.

> but a sprinter van is going to provide better actual utility for most trades Certain jobs in certain trades, not all of them > and a 80k f150 platinum Base F150 starts at half that. This is silly

> Certain jobs in certain trades, not all of them

Correct, which is why I used said most trades and not all trades

> Base F150 starts at half that. This is silly

The average new vehicle price in the US is 50k, people are not buying the base model.

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Post by 7e »

namlem wrote: post #557
danans wrote: post #74

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> It's a shame the Lightning got discontinued. > As an EV owner, it sucks that the main thing holding the technology back is misconceptions and misunderstanding, rather than actual practical matters. The F150 Lighting (and the Cybertruck) are failing precisely because it was impractical. It was expensive, has limited range when doing actual "pickup truck" work, like hauling tons of construction materials. It was buil…

There is a market for luxury electric pick-ups, and it's dominated by Rivian.

That market is insanely small. Rivian doesn't sell many trucks these days. The bed is also too small.

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Post by habosa »

billti wrote: post #13

I think the timing of the Cybertruck starting deliveries roughly aligning with when Elon got heavily involved in politics hurt it quite a bit. It is such a distinctive vehicle with a strong association with Elon, that there was an immediate brand association. It may have had poor sales anyway, but it certainly didn't help that many folks on the left, who are typically the most 'pro EV', had a large 'anti-Elon' shift…

This is true. If I see a Tesla I don’t immediately assume that driver is personally aligned with Elon. It’s a popular and good car.

If I see a Cybertruck I’m extremely confident that driver approves of Elons antics and likely fervently supports them. It’s a physical manifestation of his ego and mostly bought by his legions of fans.

If you’re a Cybertruck driver and you don’t want people to think that, you’re in the wrong car.

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Post by aeternum »

CursedSilicon wrote: post #604
mebizzle wrote: post #440

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Best selling car worldwide and not a super affordable one at that, but if you listen to everyone on the internet who "doesn't own a Tesla but has ridden in hundreds", they'll you very authoritatively they're mediocre cars.

Yeah. Obviously we should ask the people who own them for their opinion. Obviously they'll gleefully deride their not super affordable purchases :) Speaking of not super affordable. When's that "affordable Tesla" coming. Or did Elmo turn on the 'full self driving' and it drove itself into a ditch along the way?

Cybercab? It's already been unveiled and will be start production in Q2.
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