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Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by cthalupa »

lm28469 wrote: post #156
brianpbeau wrote: post #71

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It's not just processed foods, there is also a genetic struggle as well. Looking at my family living in the US and in the EU, being overweight is a thing for a large portion of us. Even in my grandparents generation of family had issues as well, and they were all blue collar manual workers that lived before processed foods. This is not to say you are wrong. The food supply in the US is not healthy. The bad news is th…

> there is also a genetic struggle as well. Weird that it virtually did not exist pre ww2 and that it now affects 75%+ of your population

Genetic differences can exist and not be meaningful if the situation doesn't allow for them to be meaningfully expressed.

We know that people just have different metabolisms, different levels of hunger response, different levels of "food noise," etc.

We see obesity rates raising in nearly every country across the world as economic power and access to ultra-palatable hyper-calorie dense food increases. This is universal across the developed world with very few exemptions - Japan seems to largely be immune, but Korea and other portions of Asia aren't.

The growth curves look very similar, despite many of these cultures across the world putting even more emphasis on discipline and responsibility than America, things that in theory directly align with being more responsible about diet. If genetics weren't involved and it was all willpower (and where does the capacity for willpower come from? Is there no genetic component to it?) we wouldn't see these growth trends be so similar to America and each other.

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Post by apparent »

quesomaster9000 wrote: post #608
drivebyhooting wrote: post #607

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How can eating at a restaurant be cheaper than at home? Could you give examples?

Sure, any kind of non-veg protein adds up quickly, especially if you're doing 3 meals a day. Most local Indian places will do you a solid 1500 calorie meal for £10 if you know what to look for. Versus, go to supermarket... get stuck in a routine every day of "buying stuff", wanting snacks, meat, and so on adds up quickly to the point where sticking below £10 a day becomes a constant battle. It's the routine and const…

Very interesting, it's like the Steve Jobs black turtleneck approach to eating: don't spend any time shopping/preparing/cleaning up, just go to a restaurant once a day. I can see how this would yield a favorable calculation when time and money are taken into account.

Restaurant food is generally much less healthy than food one cooks at home, but perhaps if it's just one meal that's outweighed by the disciplined calorie control.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by cthalupa »

lurking_swe wrote: post #708
riffraff wrote: post #699

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Congrats and good luck! If I may ask, do you think you will be able to cope with the lack of willpower once you stop taking the drug? I don't want to sound dismissive or argumentative, I'm asking out of pure curiosity, forgive me if I sound negative, I'm rooting for people who try to improve their health.

that’s the dirty secret. once you start this drug you basically need to be on it for life. I mean, you _can_ get off it, but studies show the effects reverse pretty quickly. Crucially, if you decide to get off of the drug, you’ll likely end up in a worse position than you started. Why? Many Ozempic patients lose some bone density. That can be an issue as you age. So if you get off the drug, your food habits revert to…

> Ozempic reduces your bone density

We should be clear here - bone density loss is not something intrinsic to ozempic, it has to do with your rate of weight loss, exercise and dietary habits, etc.

It is entirely possible for someone to modify their diet, lift weights, etc., while on ozempic and gain bone mineral density.

But if you don't do those things and just lose a bunch of weight really fast, you're going to lose density (and lean muscle mass)

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Post by rumplecat »

apparent wrote: post #709

> Yogurt rose the most, followed by fresh fruit, nutrition bars and meat snacks. I would guess that this is because people are replacing full-blown meals with smaller snacks. The meat snacks is probably because people are warned about losing muscle mass. Perhaps this affects yogurt consumption as well. > Notably, about one-third of users stopped taking the medication during the study period. This seems pretty high co…

A common reason people quit is that they miss the pleasure that eating previously gave them.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by apparent »

francisofascii wrote: post #14

> a handful of categories showed increases. Yogurt rose the most, followed by fresh fruit, nutrition bars and meat snacks. Interesting. Wonder what it is about yogurt and ozempic users. Probiotics?

Protein, to combat the well-publicized muscle loss that can occur.

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Post by lurking_swe »

cthalupa wrote: post #713
lurking_swe wrote: post #708

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that’s the dirty secret. once you start this drug you basically need to be on it for life. I mean, you _can_ get off it, but studies show the effects reverse pretty quickly. Crucially, if you decide to get off of the drug, you’ll likely end up in a worse position than you started. Why? Many Ozempic patients lose some bone density. That can be an issue as you age. So if you get off the drug, your food habits revert to…

> Ozempic reduces your bone density We should be clear here - bone density loss is not something intrinsic to ozempic, it has to do with your rate of weight loss, exercise and dietary habits, etc. It is entirely possible for someone to modify their diet, lift weights, etc., while on ozempic and gain bone mineral density. But if you don't do those things and just lose a bunch of weight really fast, you're going to los…

yes thanks for clarifying.

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Post by cthalupa »

mh2266 wrote: post #683
quesomaster9000 wrote: post #606

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Not GLP-1, but moved onto an OMAD diet which is essentially a 23hr daily fast with nothing but neat espresso, cigarettes and water in between - although occasionally I have a small treat or sugary drink. But now I eat almost exclusively at restaurants and enjoy it, and overall it's cheaper than cooking at home given wastage with many ingredients and desire for variety. I do eat very simply though, usually south & eas…

cigarettes are an explicit part of the diet...?

Nicotine is a fairly potent appetite suppressant

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by socalgal2 »

drivebyhooting wrote: post #607
quesomaster9000 wrote: post #606

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Not GLP-1, but moved onto an OMAD diet which is essentially a 23hr daily fast with nothing but neat espresso, cigarettes and water in between - although occasionally I have a small treat or sugary drink. But now I eat almost exclusively at restaurants and enjoy it, and overall it's cheaper than cooking at home given wastage with many ingredients and desire for variety. I do eat very simply though, usually south & eas…

How can eating at a restaurant be cheaper than at home? Could you give examples?

Priced out tacos on Amazon they add up to ~$1.25 per taco. You can go to a taco tuesday deal and get the same price or cheaper, plus free chips and salsa, as just one example.

I don't know if it's true but a friend from Kaohshing told me almost no one cooks at home anymore as the food outside is cheap, convenient, and abundant.

You also have to consider what you're eating. You can buy caviar for home ($$$) and have hot dogs out ($)

And, you have to take into account your time. If it takes you an hour to prepare food vs 10 minutes to get food made for you then there is some value to getting those 50 mins back. Some people enjoy cooking. I do. But if my choices was to hang out with a friend for ~2hrs or say nah I can only meet for ~1hr because I gotta make dinner, I'd value that extra time with my friend more than zero.

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Post by vladgur »

jaggederest wrote: post #694
vladgur wrote: post #654

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Sorry for personal questions please answer any OR none as you feel comfortable 1) How is your energy/stamina following the 35% loss 2) Have you done any dexascans/bodyspecs to measure your lean mass percentage before and after your loss 3) Did you take any steps to reduce the muscle loss? 4) with 35% loss, what BMI are you at?

Not the original guy, but down 32%, for a point of comparison: 1) Amazing, like being a decade and a half younger 2) Not before, planning one in the next couple months, but I use skinfold and impedance and they say I've dropped from about 48% to ~20% as I've dropped from 272 to 186, lean mass seems maybe 5kg lower than I started with? Less lean mass loss than I expected. 3) Weight bearing exercise and medium-high pro…

these are amazing numbers -- how long did this loss take?

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

Edman274 wrote: post #180
hyperpape wrote: post #95

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I predict you’ll retract this comment. I don’t have any evidence that you will, but since you seem to think that’s ok, here goes!

At what point does a demand for evidence come back around to making the requestor seem less like a prudent, rational truth seeker and more like someone with naive lack of personal, lived experience? Like, not a single soul will say "got evidence for that assertion?" when it's a news story about EA or Oracle or Adobe acquiring a company and people are predicting that the acquired product will be destroyed, and isolate…

It needs evidence that there's a general phenomenon of "hyperpalatable" food companies can search for, not just a latent property of how certain macronutrients balance in food. Otherwise, it's like proposing that public transit is pointless because car companies will somehow defeat it by making up more reasons to drive.
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