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Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

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> That's different from a dictatorship, Its exactly equivalent to a dictatorship by the head of the CIA, unless the CIA is effectively answerable to some other authority despite not being answerable to the law, and then it is equivalent to a dictatorship by that higher authority.

The CIA can’t rule by edict. Being above the law is necessary but not sufficient to be a dictator. We also don’t know enough about the internal politics of the CIA to assert much about the head of the CIA.

From what I gather, it's so tight that when a clandestine company has served its purpose and winds down, anybody who managed to become a shareholder gets to cash out.

Anything else could blow the cover for next time.

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Never trust a lawyer with a redact tool any more complicated than a marker. I've seen lawyers at major, high-priced law firms make this same mistake. Once it was a huge list of individuals names and bank account balances. Fortunately I was able to intervene just before the uploaded documents were made public. Folks around here blame incompetence, but I say the frequency of this kind of cock-up is crystal clear teleme…

> Folks around here blame incompetence, but I say the frequency of this kind of cock-up is crystal clear telemetry telling you the software tools suck. Absolutely. They know this is confusing, and they're bound and determined not to fix it. At the least, they need a pop-up to let you know that it's not doing what you might think it's doing.

Apple’s Preview app does exactly that. I discovered this while trying to make a blanked copy of kid #2’s homework worksheet for kid #1 who left his at school after kid #2 already wrote on her copy.

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One of the most pathetic things that has come out of this is that the British press refuse to say the phrase "Prince Andrew" anymore. It has to be Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor.

Because he was officially stripped of the title. He’s no longer a Prince. It’s not some grand conspiracy to distance him from the royal family, that’s just how titles work and the British are real sticklers about that class nonsense.

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So I don't know your specialty, but I'm going to make a wild guess and assume that it isn't stage magic. State magicians have a whole range of different ways to make something seem like it's levitating, or to apparently get a signed playing card inside a fruit that they get someone in the audience to cut open to reveal. To a magician, these things are cute, not mysterious. To the general public… a significant percent…

Your analogy fails because the purpose of stage magic is concealing what’s going on. That’s not what happened here. Someone just made a really stupid mistake that even non-technical folks can accidentally discover. There are undoubtedly some people who would be fooled by this, but you don’t have to be technical in order to not be one of them.

> the purpose of stage magic is concealing what’s going on. That’s not what happened here

That's *literally* what "redaction" is.

These people are bad at magic, were told to do magic, fooled only themselves and other people who are also bad at magic.

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Lots of loyalists have replaced people there. It's for sure incompetence.

Indeed, incompetence is basically guaranteed if the organization selects for allegiance rather than competence. But I prefer to think that at least part of this was malicious compliance, because that suggests that at least some people at the FBI still have their soul.

I would imagine it would be possible to track down who was responsible for redacting X set of documents, so this seems rather risky?

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Befuddling that this happened again. It’s not the first time - Paul Manafort court filing (U.S., 2019) Manafort’s lawyers filed a PDF where the “redacted” parts were basically black highlighting/boxes over live text. Reporters could recover the hidden text (e.g., via copy/paste). - TSA “Standard Operating Procedures” manual (U.S., 2009) A publicly posted TSA screening document used black rectangles that did not remov…

Based on the prose style, I'm assuming you copy-pasted a ChatGPT "deep research" answer?

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post #597

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Never trust a lawyer with a redact tool any more complicated than a marker. I've seen lawyers at major, high-priced law firms make this same mistake. Once it was a huge list of individuals names and bank account balances. Fortunately I was able to intervene just before the uploaded documents were made public. Folks around here blame incompetence, but I say the frequency of this kind of cock-up is crystal clear teleme…

I think it's part laziness here. Placing a black rectangle on a PDF is easier than modifying an image or removing text from that same PDF.

I’ve not looked too deeply, but based on other discussion, I wonder if this was malicious noncompliance meant to reveal what the higher-ups were ordering hidden. If victims’ names are properly redacted that would be strong evidence.

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Befuddling that this happened again. It’s not the first time - Paul Manafort court filing (U.S., 2019) Manafort’s lawyers filed a PDF where the “redacted” parts were basically black highlighting/boxes over live text. Reporters could recover the hidden text (e.g., via copy/paste). - TSA “Standard Operating Procedures” manual (U.S., 2009) A publicly posted TSA screening document used black rectangles that did not remov…

Based on the prose style, I'm assuming you copy-pasted a ChatGPT "deep research" answer?

The prose style and the fact that it was super repetitive. Every bullet re-described the copy-pasting. Definitely LLM slop.

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The article buried the lede. Last sentence:

> It was unclear how property material complies with the redaction standard under the law.

In other words, who knows what else was redacted that is unrelated to either the victims or jeopardizing an active federal investigation (are there any related to Epstein? I thought those all got killed, except those ordered by Trump to investigate Democrats of course.)

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> strict ethical standards to not use the information (for what little that may be worth) If it's worth so little to your eyes/comprehension you will have no problem citing a huge count of cases where lawyers do not respect their obligations towards the courts and their clients... That snide remark is used to discredit a profession in passing, but the reason you won't find a lot of examples of this happening is becau…

> you will have no problem citing a huge count of cases where lawyers do not respect their obligations towards the courts and their clients... There are almost 2000 disbarments annually in the US. The california bar recieves 1 compliant for every 10 law licenses in the state every year. There's a wikipedia page on notable disbarments. Legal malpractice suites are on the rise. If you are going to assert that legal mal…

I’m not a lawyer, but I did watch every episode of Better Call Saul and I’d point out that a lawyer who generates one complaint likely generates multiple complaints so that 1 complaint/10 law licenses number is misleading about the scope of the issue. Similarly, 2000 disbarments sounds high until you realize that there are roughly 1.3 million lawyers. What’s more, when I was checking to see what reasons for disbarment might be, I found an article (https://law.usnews.com/law-firms/advice/articles/what-does-i...) which cited a number much lower (less than 500) and that pointed out that reasons other than professional misconduct can lead to disbarment including DUI and domestic violence. The following gives some reasons for disbarment:

> … disbarment is the presumptive form of discipline for an attorney who steals clients’ money, Best says.

> Disbarment is more likely when the attorney committed fraud or serious dishonesty, particularly in front of a tribunal or to a client. Similarly, priority may be given to cases where an attorney is convicted of a crime of moral turpitude, Levin says.

> Priorities also change in response to society’s changing values and when there’s a belief that tightening down on types of cases will help the profession as a whole, Best says.

> For example, in Massachusetts, there has been an increased focus on violations relating to the administration of justice, such as when prosecutors engage in racist behavior.

> And while, in the past, an attorney’s drunk driving or domestic violence would probably not have led to sanctions (because they were seen as unrelated to the attorney’s legal work), they now might result in discipline, Best says.

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