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Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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> He says he could begin to block ad blockers in Firefox and estimates that’d bring in another $150 million, but he doesn’t want to do that. It feels off-mission.

That's just miss interpretation. The way he told that was probably badly reported by the journalist and now it's getting miss understood.

Let's be honest and give this guy an honnest chance instead of witch hunting.

I really didn't like his interview and his blog post but even then, judge on the facts and not the talk !

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Amazing how they continue not to cater to their core audience. They literally have lost 90% of their market share from their peak, I guess I can see the temptation to try to regain it by reaching out to others, but doing that at the expense of your core is a terrible business strategy. It's not like those users are all that sticky, they're leaving as Mozilla pisses them off, and likely Mozilla are going to be left wi…

> Amazing how they continue not to cater to their core audience.

I’ve seen this across several industries now.

The “core audience” is too small and too particular. There is another audience, much easier to please, much much larger, much more money can be made off them. Why stick to your niche “core audience”?

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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I don't know, if the CEO of some software I used suddenly came out as anti-miscegenation, and started donating money to the cause, I'd stop using the software until the CEO was fired too.

Where this analogy breaks is that at the time (2008), Eich's position had majority support in the US. The proposition he wad funding passed with majority support. Mixed marriages by contrast had overwhelming support in 2008. Eich didn't suddenly come out against anything in 2014. People dug up his prior funding. Demanding permanent ostracization for supporting a majority position is fairly anti-democratic. You can be…

> Where this analogy breaks is that at the time (2008), Eich's position had majority support in the US.

And where your analogy breaks down is that Eich had that same position at the time he was appointed CEO in 2014 and has that same position today.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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I don't know, if the CEO of some software I used suddenly came out as anti-miscegenation, and started donating money to the cause, I'd stop using the software until the CEO was fired too.

In 2008. You know, the year the majority of Americans didn't approve of gay marriage? [1] The year Obama said that marriage is between a man and a woman? [2] Applying modern sensibilities to history is stupid. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20111017161259/http://www.quinni... [2] https://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/08/obama-says-...

And also in 2014 when he was appointed CEO and also today. Eich has the same position today.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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They could just make less money and deprioritise non-engineering/engineering-leadership personnel.

In short, they could become a non profit again, with a single mission - build a open source browser with the interests of its users as first priority.

Others are trying that approach, so I guess we'll see if that's enough

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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A) Firing a CEO because there is an immediate, massive public shaming of them is entirely rational from a business perspective B) This is the hill you want to die on? That being a bigot should be a protected status for CEOs?

The words "bigot" and "racist" have been so overused that they've lost all meaning. "Fascist" is not all that far behind. In a recent interview, Nick Fuentes (much more deserving of the bigot label than Eich) openly said he's a racist. I suspect he lost 0 supporters by doing this. Abusing the language like this has consequences - not good ones.

Definition of bigot from Oxford Languages: a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

Explain how the word isn't being used according to its definition.

> Nick Fuentes openly said he's a racist.

Do you doubt him? In March 2025, he said, "Jews are running society, women need to shut the fuck up, Blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part, and we would live in paradise ... White men need to run the household, they need to run the country, they need to run the companies. They just need to run everything, it's that simple. It's literally that simple."

> I suspect he lost 0 supporters by doing this.

You seem to believe that his supporters think he isn't actually racist.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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>On iOS, Safari is simple and sufficient, but I would prefer UBO there, however we all know Apple will never allow extensions for Safari. fwiw Safari on iOS does allow some extensions and uBlock Origin Lite is free in the iOS App Store.

ublock origin lite is the knee-capped version that is also available in chrome. I haven't tried it, but it is technically not able to block all ads.

Yep. It’s not great but it’s not terrible. Hopefully Apple expands Safari extension support in the future

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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post #625

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It is tough guy syndrome, because it's projecting a hypothetical scenario to performatively declare what you would do in that hypothetical, attempting to hold a third party accountable for something they're not actually doing. Try to follow the ball instead of lecturing me to relax ;)

Did you read the post? They are clearly considering doing it.

Yeah, otherwise it’d weird the new CEO had such a precise idea of the amount of money it could bring in. It makes it sound like Mozilla definitely had either considered offers from advertisers or done the maths themselves to work out potential revenue.

And for the record, as a Firefox user, count me in with the others who would switch and just use Safari on my Mac if they went through with it!

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

#719
I use firefox for three things.

1. The ad blocker. 2. The sense of superiority over the normies (because of the ad blocker) 3. Theming

If adblockers are killed, that removed points 1 and 2. I am pretty sure I can do the same theming in Chrome (I have simple tastes) so that makes 3 a non-factor. And combined with the companies that refuse to make their sites work with firefox, there is no reason not to use chrome. Privacy is a non-factor since my identity is already wholly linked to my google account. I would have to first switch off off there and I am not putting in the effort for that.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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post #386

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The current pattern in software is, sadly: 1. Innovate 2. Dominate 3. Enshitify to cash in. You can't skip step #2. Right now, Firefox's market share is a rounding error compared to Chrome. Users are starting to switch away from Chrome because it's currently in step 3 (in spades). That trend will not continue if Firefox beats Chrome to the bottom of the pig-pen. Firefox's current focus on AI is concerning enough, but…

Indeed, Mozilla has a particular bad habit of not listening to customers. It shows even in the UI design. Features like tab pinning and tab groups work in ways that are sub-optimal to how users want to use them. A pinned tab should not be tied to a specific URL. If you go their forums you see a lot complaints, and weird thing is all the nonsensical arguments that their reps advance as to how these features should wor…

I'm confused, because I desperately want pinned tabs to stay on their URL, but that's not what happens, and I end up with random URLs in these tabs because I click links. Is there a config flag I flipped without thinking?
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