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Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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NickC25 wrote: post #597
raxxorraxor wrote: post #586

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hezbollah exists to destroy Israel, not Iran. Iran current theological dictatorship just wants to see itself as leader of the Islamic world and uses Gazans as welcomed victims, just like Hamas. It famously fund terrorist activities like Hezbollah.

in the grand scheme of things, Hezbollah is a gnat going up against a fortified nuclear power. Israel could eliminate them in a heartbeat but actively pursue the avenue that glorifies Hamas and hezbollah and keeps them active and new members pouring in. It's hard to hate Israel when they are peaceful, don't encourage their "settlers" to colonize neighboring countries, aren't blocking aide, aren't blowing up hospitals…

Doesn't matter if they are a gnat if they fire ordinance at another country. And a while ago they weren't a gnat at all, they were the largest non-state militant force on the planet. Until Israel defended itself decisively and in my opinion that doesn't need justification.

Who really needs justification is Iran for funding these militants.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by NickC25 »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #711
NickC25 wrote: post #597

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in the grand scheme of things, Hezbollah is a gnat going up against a fortified nuclear power. Israel could eliminate them in a heartbeat but actively pursue the avenue that glorifies Hamas and hezbollah and keeps them active and new members pouring in. It's hard to hate Israel when they are peaceful, don't encourage their "settlers" to colonize neighboring countries, aren't blocking aide, aren't blowing up hospitals…

Doesn't matter if they are a gnat if they fire ordinance at another country. And a while ago they weren't a gnat at all, they were the largest non-state militant force on the planet. Until Israel defended itself decisively and in my opinion that doesn't need justification. Who really needs justification is Iran for funding these militants.

> and in my opinion that doesn't need justification.

It doesn't, but why does that justify their aggression towards noncombatants? Does it justify the killing of women and children, who then will go on to be culturally reinforced to hate Israel (for obvious reasons)?

Does it justify having a massive nuclear arsenal?

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by dlubarov »

cess11 wrote: post #706
dlubarov wrote: post #703

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Hezbollah pagers aren't randomly lying around though, they're normally attached to Hezbollah members. These were also much smaller than any anti personnel mine. This was far more targeted than, say, any artillery strike that a commander could possibly order. Targeted doesn't mean it's impossible to harm something else. That's possible with any weapon, and far more likely with larger munitions like artillery shells.

Hezbollah members include medical personnel, teachers, politicians and so on. It is a much larger group of organisations than the armed factions. I'm not sure what you're after. What the israelis did would have been a worse crime if it actually was targeted. Is that your point?

It's not clear that Israel just set off all Hezbollah issued beepers; we don't know what methodology they used. We can guess based on reported casualties, but we don't know which casualties were involved with Hezbollah's military operations.

> What the israelis did would have been a worse crime if it actually was targeted.

It was certainly targeted, it just also had collateral damage, i.e. harm to non-targets.

What you have Israel do instead? Suppose they struck Hezbollah fighters with conventional artillery. They're not sitting around in open fields, so there still would have been collateral damage.

Would you again maintain that the strikes were "untargeted" because there was collateral damage? By this unusual definition, it seems impossible to do a "targeted" strike at least in any urban environment.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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NickC25 wrote: post #597
raxxorraxor wrote: post #586

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hezbollah exists to destroy Israel, not Iran. Iran current theological dictatorship just wants to see itself as leader of the Islamic world and uses Gazans as welcomed victims, just like Hamas. It famously fund terrorist activities like Hezbollah.

in the grand scheme of things, Hezbollah is a gnat going up against a fortified nuclear power. Israel could eliminate them in a heartbeat but actively pursue the avenue that glorifies Hamas and hezbollah and keeps them active and new members pouring in. It's hard to hate Israel when they are peaceful, don't encourage their "settlers" to colonize neighboring countries, aren't blocking aide, aren't blowing up hospitals…

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Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by sporkxrocket »

inemesitaffia wrote: post #692
sporkxrocket wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Those are downstream from The Balfour Agreement and Nakba.

That's nonsense, do you know what Nakba means? And I don't mean it's modern reinterpretation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
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