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Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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post #233

The pardon power has been so abused these past few administrations that it's clear there should be constitutional changes in the pardon power, either congressional review, or strip it altogether.

The way this is going, the President won’t need using any pardon powers, because the judges will all ask the President what the judgement should be in advance. And the prosecutors will ask who to prosecute. Finally only fair justice!

This is currently how it works in some countries that are supposed to be (and were) democratic. Sadly the US is moving in the same direction.

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

#712
post #657

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> There should be a limit There is, and the Constitution says the limit is impeachment and removal from office by Congress. That won't happen unless we fix how we talk about the ones responsible, to wit: The Republican Party pardoned these criminals. The Republican Party is snatching Americans off the streets. The Republican Party is using the military to murder people on boats. The Republican Party is demolishing do…

I don’t think the majority of voting Americans have problems with any of those acts though. Think Joe you pass in Walmart cares about what happens to the White House ballroom?

I think they will care if their life gets worse, they just don't realize that these things are the cause.

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

#713

There should be a limit on the number of pardons a president can do during their tenure so that they have to at least think a bit before using it. It is a very powerful tool that actually allows a last resort. But this kind of egregious abuse of it's power means it needs to be kept in check.

It'd take a constitutional amendment. So all we can do is not elect someone who will trade pardons for money (on this scale).

Eh, or the next POTUS can just drone strike whoever has been pardoned by the previous one. Immune for official acts and all that.

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

#714

There should be a limit on the number of pardons a president can do during their tenure so that they have to at least think a bit before using it. It is a very powerful tool that actually allows a last resort. But this kind of egregious abuse of it's power means it needs to be kept in check.

I get it but it is imperative that this never happen. The reason is that a pardon is the only recourse the people have against the supreme court

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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They were fed "waste fraud and abuse" in the beginning of the year. and suddenly it happens in broad daylight and people shrug? At this point it's just brainwashing. Some people's principals are clearly less about their own conviction and treating all this like a sports team. Whoever team "wins", even if the stadium burns down around them.

It's privately funded so it doesn't fit under "waste, fraud, and abuse" in the same vein as things that use taxpayer money. Conflict of interest by attempting to curry favor for his vanity project by making donations? That's a fair criticism.

It is allegedly privately funded.

Remember that Mexico allegedly would pay for the wall.

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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You believe the US on the path to killing tens of millions of its own citizens for the sake of some ideology like Mao, Stalin, and Hitler because a non-violent white collar criminal was given a shortened sentence? Interesting.

You can kill someone without weapons. And just like the Great Leap Forward, America is well on its way to letting many thousands die from lack of healthcare.

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Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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You believe the US on the path to killing tens of millions of its own citizens for the sake of some ideology like Mao, Stalin, and Hitler because a non-violent white collar criminal was given a shortened sentence? Interesting.

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Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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The US Constitution wasn't written with the wellbeing of random ordinary citizens in mind. You could argue it was the exact opposite in fact.

More importantly it was written under the assumption that political elites would understand and act against the risk of electing a broken demagogue.

But alas, the modern GOP’s cravenness beggars belief.

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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> The executive being able to overrule the judiciary is an absolutely jaw-dropping American institution. No, its not, pardon and the closely linked power of clemency are common powers in representative democracies, often situated with the chief of state or the head of government (in the US, and other Presidential systems, the President is both), or sometimes the cabinet instead of the head of government in a parliame…

The president just prior to Trump pardoned his own son for crimes, and pre-emptively pardoned various other family members and political allies for any possible crimes before they could be prosecuted. Again, this is not new, this is ongoing open-air corruption, and Trump's escalation is the result of everyone being OK with it before now.

The son committed a crime and it could be argued it would have been a net benefit for democracy for him to accept the sentence.

It's also true his son was prosecuted politically, because few if any people go to jail for 4473 falsification.

It's also true that this is new and unprecedented.

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

#720

If you have Republican senators or a Republican House rep, call their offices and tell them what you think of this.

Yes! This will be the time they finally push back on Trump.

Midterms are coming up next year. If they are afraid their association with Trump might take them down, they'll crack.

Honestly I suspect fear of Trump is really their only motivation right now.

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