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Post by novok »

captainregex wrote: post #397
cco wrote: post #357

The lede is being missed imo. gpt-oss:20b is a top ten model (on MMLU (right behind Gemini-2.5-Pro) and I just ran it locally on my Macbook Air M3 from last year. I've been experimenting with a lot of local models, both on my laptop and on my phone (Pixel 9 Pro), and I figured we'd be here in a year or two. But no, we're here today. A basically frontier model, running for the cost of electricity (free with a rounding…

I’m still trying to understand what is the biggest group of people that uses local AI (or will)? Students who don’t want to pay but somehow have the hardware? Devs who are price conscious and want free agentic coding? Local, in my experience, can’t even pull data from an image without hallucinating (Qwen 2.5 VI in that example). Hopefully local/small models keep getting better and devices get better at running bigger…

Psychs who dont trust ai companies

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Post by benreesman »

I'm a well-known OpenAI hater, but there's haters and haters, and refusing to acknowledge great work is the latter.

Well done OpenAI, this seems like a sincere effort to do a real open model with competitive performance, usable/workable licensing, a tokenizer compatible with your commercial offerings, it's a real contribution. Probably the most open useful thing since Whisper that also kicked ass.

Keep this sort of thing up and I might start re-evaliating how I feel about this company.

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Post by __alexs »

ArtTimeInvestor wrote: post #76

Why do companies release open source LLMs? I would understand it, if there was some technology lock-in. But with LLMs, there is no such thing. One can switch out LLMs without any friction.

I believe it's to create barriers to entry and make the space harder to compete in.

There's still a ton of value in the lower end of the market by capability, and it's easier for more companies to compete in. If you make the cost floor for that basically free you eliminate everyone else's ability to make any profit there and then leverage that into building a product that can also compete at the higher end. This makes it harder for a new market entrant to compete by increasing the minimum capability and capital investment required to make a profit in this space.

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Post by AmazingTurtle »

parhamn wrote: post #386
cco wrote: post #357

The lede is being missed imo. gpt-oss:20b is a top ten model (on MMLU (right behind Gemini-2.5-Pro) and I just ran it locally on my Macbook Air M3 from last year. I've been experimenting with a lot of local models, both on my laptop and on my phone (Pixel 9 Pro), and I figured we'd be here in a year or two. But no, we're here today. A basically frontier model, running for the cost of electricity (free with a rounding…

I just tested 120B from the Groq API on agentic stuff (multi-step function calling, similar to claude code) and it's not that good. Agentic fine-tuning seems key, hopefully someone drops one soon.

Im not sure if groq uses the proper harmony template?

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Post by cjtrowbridge »

__alexs wrote: post #709

Why would OpenAI give this away for free? Is it to disrupt competition by setting a floor at the lower end of the market and make it harder for new competition to emerge while still retaining mind share?

No. It's because large models have leveled off and commodified. They are all trending towards the same capabilities, and openai isn't really a leader. They have the most popular interface, but it really isn't very good. The future is the edge, the future is smaller, more efficient models. They are trying to define and delineate a niche that needs datacenters where they can achieve rents.

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Post by okasaki »

danielvaughn wrote: post #557
pcdoodle wrote: post #551

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good point. Take the state of the world and craft npc dialogue for instance.

Yep that’s my biggest ask tbh. I just imagine the next Elder Scrolls taking advantage of that. Would change the gaming landscape overnight.

Games with LLM characters have been done and it turns out this is a shit idea.

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Post by BoxOfRain »

satyrun wrote: post #395
Workaccount2 wrote: post #11

Wow, today is a crazy AI release day: - OAI open source - Opus 4.1 - Genie 3 - ElevenLabs Music

wow I just listened to Eleven Music do flamenco singing. That is incredible. Edit. I just tried it though and less impressed now. We are really going to need major music software to get on board before we have actual creative audio tools. These all seem made for non-musicians to make a very cookie cutter song from a specific genre.

>These all seem made for non-musicians to make a very cookie cutter song from a specific genre.

This is my main problem with AI music at the moment, I'd love it if I had proper creative control as a musician that'd be amazing but a lot of the time it's just straight up slop generation.

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Post by aspect0545 »

CMay wrote: post #699
int_19h wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried 20b locally and it couldn't reason a way out of a basic river crossing puzzle with labels changed. That is not anywhere near SOTA. In fact it's worse than many local models that can do it, including e.g. QwQ-32b.

The 20b solved the wolf, goat, cabbage river crossing puzzle set to high reasoning for me without needing to use a system prompt that encourages critical thinking. It managed it using multiple different recommended settings, from temperatures of 0.6 up to 1.0, etc. Other models have generally failed that without a system prompt that encourages rigorous thinking. Each of the reasoning settings may very well have think…

But was it reasoning or did it solve this because it was parting it‘s training data?

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Post by ionwake »

I want to take this chance to say a big thank you to OpenAI and your work. I have always been a fan since I noticed you hired the sandbox game kickstarter guy about like 8 years ago.

Even from the UK I knew you would all do great things ( I had had no idea who else was involved).

I am glad I see the top comment is rare praise on HN.

Thanks again and keep it up Sama and team.

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