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We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by amake »

burnt-resistor wrote: post #679
dv_dt wrote: post #257

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Though it's popularized to blame social media and phones, economics should not be overlooked. Pay for young generations is lagging and restaurants and bar prices are super high. Public spaces for informal gatherings has shrunk - eg fewer malls

Parks and trails are/were non commercial meeting spaces. City recreational parks in America used to have water fountains and cool stuff like climbable sculptures for kids and decommissioned Korean War era fighter jets in sand pits. That all went away with the helicopter parents.

> That all went away with the helicopter parents

Insane to blame parents when Republicans have been destroying all manner of public goods for the last however many decades.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by waaaaaaaaahhhh »

metalman wrote: post #27

the title's premise depends on swollowing the idea that a shift of a relationship to an inanamate object(no matter how intricate), is not a sigh of delusional behavior and a psycosis.

nah...nah... At the consume, out for shopping, i had seen a not fifty years, nor old, no - a young one at the checkout, standing in front of me...i've seen the shaking-sickness, very susceptible, telling the cashier "Everything going worser, brakes."

For example, told the cashier "Having to wait for the new 'contract-cell-phone' because the older one broke too..."

So unable to type, no cell phone, paying using cash or a phone ? Maybe sparsely out to drink or party... but as someone wrote, people you know and to whom you had good connections being replaced by a "feed" of people, no? Sounding too offensive... ?

Recursion

zzz...

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Post by nathan_compton »

Esophagus4 wrote: post #642
nathan_compton wrote: post #583

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What if the alternative was dispensing with this rotten system that dehumanizes everyone in it, especially the vulnerable, like the elderly?

And what would that alternative look like? Once we “dispense with the rotten system,” then what?

Denmark.

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Post by pizzly »

vincnetas wrote: post #333
dv_dt wrote: post #257

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Though it's popularized to blame social media and phones, economics should not be overlooked. Pay for young generations is lagging and restaurants and bar prices are super high. Public spaces for informal gatherings has shrunk - eg fewer malls

When mall is called a public space... Public space situation is really sad.

I don't know if all places are the same but one time when we were working on laptops at a mall in a common area we were told by security guards 1 hour later to leave so not sure if they can be considered public areas.

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

_qbxi wrote: post #687
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #682

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You know people who regularly say on a weekend evening "Sorry, I can't come, I need to put the $34 I'd have spent into my HSA" ? It's not really about safety nets since most people don't discount (or account) for them (they're in the future). It's about disposable income, and for huge numbers of Americans, that's in short supply due to the exorbitant cost of housing, college education and health insurance & care.

I know people who don't want to spend $30 on dinner because they already drained their accounts for minor medical problems, yes.

That's precisely what I meant about disposable income.

Safety nets in my mind are what kick in after a person has no way to pay for necessary stuff by themselves.

Disposable income is what gets cut down by the costs of necessary stuff.

Very few people are going to not go to dinner because they are aware that if they become indigent US society will not pay, and thus feel an obligation to save.

Lots of people will not go to dinner because they've already had to pay for (... you name it ...)

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Post by pizzly »

bebeskids wrote: post #407
dv_dt wrote: post #257

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Though it's popularized to blame social media and phones, economics should not be overlooked. Pay for young generations is lagging and restaurants and bar prices are super high. Public spaces for informal gatherings has shrunk - eg fewer malls

Parks, libraries are cheap and free and they're dead where I live, a metro area of 2+ million The only people I see out are families with grandpa in tow to pay for a mediocre overpriced wood fired pizza. No one has analog skills. Just social analysis skills. Very briefly dated a 39 year old who admitted she had never baked, boiled, or microwaved her own potato. Already got 2 kids. We reach endgame sooner in life. We…

same here. The problem in this region is that they are too restrictive. Libraries have strict rules like not making noise in some areas and being told by security guards to take feet off low tables (which was impractical for reading), parks have so many rules including which sports can be played and not. At least in the region where we live its not the lack of facilities but a culture and rule system that makes public areas useless.

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Post by ninetyninenine »

techpineapple wrote: post #694
ninetyninenine wrote: post #466

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>No, in fact I noticed a series of AI winters. In all things, progress is famously _not_ a straight line. A series of winters? There's only one winter. Then after Geoffrey Hinton you can bullshit every 6 month lull into a "winter" if you want but everyone knows what the "actual" winter was. In general over a span of 10 years the line is UP. >Also I find it interesting that your argument seems to boil down to “I’m sma…

I think VR is a great example of a technology we are currently choosing to stop, very similarly to AI, all evidence suggests we’ll hit a cost/benefit wall before we get to superintelligent AI similar to the abandonment of VR progress currently in the works. Contradictorally though - I am near certain we will declare victory on AGI much sooner than 10 years from now. OpenAI’s contract with Microsoft nearly requires it…

So you agree. And your conclusion looks like it's coming from the fact that the trendline goes up. Clearly Sam altman saying garbage and some contract with microsoft doesn't mean shit unless there were trendlines behind them to back it up.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

eastbound wrote: post #639
matheusmoreira wrote: post #615

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They also resist having children so they will not be resisting immigration for long.

Why ever would you compare children and immigration? I love my parents and I’d have solidarity for my country fellows (France here). Immigrants don’t generally earn much, let alone work legally and pay taxes. They are not paying our retirement. They require doctors and produce our “medical deserts” (the name we use in France where social security fails because of lack of practicians). They also wouldn’t fight for us…

I'm not comparing children with immigrants. I'm pointing out the demographic fact that Japan has a low birth rate, far below replenishment.

This implies the number of economically active individuals will only ever decrease over time. Without economically active people, collapse is inevitable. Therefore, they must either promote new families or accept immigration.

Attempts to raise birth rates don't seem to be bearing fruit in any developed country. Therefore, acceptance of immigration is merely a matter of time. They have no choice.

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Post by vel0city »

mlinhares wrote: post #569
bitexploder wrote: post #564

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Not to pick nits but what is “reality”? How do suburbs disconnect one from it?

You drive everywhere, so it's optimized for drive-through experiences, so you don't have to interact with people. Third places are hard to find, and when they exist, they're paid (movie theaters, restaurants, bars, museums, gyms) and they're not necessarily good places to make friends. There aren't natural places where you see the same people as the communities are very dispersed, with mostly single-family homes in l…

> Third places are hard to find, and when they exist, they're paid

I see this claim a lot but I don't understand it. Can you give me some examples of common third places in other countries that aren't paid that don't exist in US suburbs?

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