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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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I have the address for the many IDF bases that are in residential neighbourhoods, as well as the schools from which their predecessors in the Irgun, Haganah and Lehi stored weapons and hid their soldiers.

And when hamas missiles are fired at bases and miss, most adults quickly forget. When hamas spends months planning a massacre at a rave, people give up caring about anything related to hamas.

How can anyone forget when it is introduced context-free literally every time an Israeli is held to account?

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The only option for long term peace though is to just get back to that arrangement with a new group in power in Gaza.

That runs counter to the goals of the Palestinians. What happens if they reject this "new group" in favour of Hamas? If you are going to spend that kind of immense political capital to invade and occupy a foreign state you'd better off doing to actual threats like Iran or Russia.

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Whom do you refer to as "the most famous terrorist in history"?

Considering that they mention his family wealth, I can only assume that they mean Osama bin Laden. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden

Yep that is who I meant.

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Israeli here, can't directly answer your question since I've lived in the US for 99% of my adult life, but I consider myself pro-Israel and resent the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed. I see the key problem as people removing context: Context for why the current situation could easily be different if Hamas acted/acts differently, and context for why there is no "just stop fighting" option that leaves Is…

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> I do not pretend to have or be able to gain any knowledge that could help this thousand year conflict

Why do you think this is a "thousand years conflict"? It started in 1917 when the British government initiated the process of handing over Palestine to jews in return for Lord Rothschild's money that they needed to keep fighting WW1 [1]. Jewish population of Palestine at that time was only around 7%.

Subsequent immigration of mostly European jews into Palestine, resulted in about 30% jewish population by the time Western powers decided to declare an independent Jewish-dominated state of Israel on top of Palestine in 1947. How could it be jewish-dominated when they were a minority? Well, you just forcefully displace everyone who isn't a part of your group, of course. Oh, they refuse? Massacre a few villages [2] [3] and then most remaining people will flee on their own. Sure, sure, you allow a small number to stay within the borders of the new country that you now claim, so that they can consistute about 20% of your population and you get to claim that you aren't a nationalist supremacist nation.

There is nothing "thousand years old" about this 20th century European white supremacist colonial settlement project.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantura_massacre

You can also try this book by an Israeli historian, called "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ethnic_Cleansing_of_Palest...

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>Isreal proposed international peacekeeping forces in Gaza This is a bit misleading. Israel proposed that it maintain absolute and total military control of Gaza, but that a "peacekeeping force" from three Arab nations, bizarrely to be controlled by the US, would "secure food distribution". Israel has absolutely zero intention of handing over control of Gaza, and has gone to extraordinary lengths to vilify and delegi…

> Israel has absolutely zero intention of handing over control of Gaza, The charter for Hamas for years called for the total destruction of Israel. That's been recently removed, but their actions haven't changed. Why would any nation allow such a government to be their neighbor? The best that anyone could hope for would be a North / South Korea or CCP/KMT divide, but those only work because both sides share a common…

The charter for Israel still calls for the total destruction of Palestine...

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Israel is trying to destroy Gaza and its people - look at any recent photos. There is some equivalence in the aims, and one group has begun to get close - Israel. It’s time for aggressive outside intervention.

None of the countries with the actual capacity for aggressive outside intervention have any interest in doing so. For better or worse it's just not a priority. People in the Israel / Palestine region will have to find a solution to their own problems, or (more likely) just continue the horrifying and pointless cycle of violence.

The countries with capacity for outside intervention are intervening - to support Israel. Without constant outside support, Israel would fall by this time next month. It would not longer be a country.

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As a Norwegian, it is absolutely baffling how someone can seriously utter the words "I am in full support of Israel's actions in Gaza". Is the media coverage that different in USA than in Europe? How is it possible?

I try very hard to find credible primary and secondary sources of what's true on the ground. For Gaza, but also for Ukraine, Myanmar, Sudan, I am basically a nerd about conflict zones. From all of my research, I believe the IDF gets a bad rap but is no worse in Gaza than any Western army would be in the same situation. And indeed we can see that in dug in cities like the coalition forces vs ISIS in Mosul, civilian ca…

Is it possible that "any Western army" is also pure evil?

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Odeh Mohammad Khalil al-Hathalin, 31, was murdered by Yinon Levi, durring the same attack, an excavator brought to destroy homes was used to strike other unarmed palisinians. There is video that also documents the murderer ,Yinon Levi, directing soldiers to arrest his victims family, which they did.

David Ben Avraham, a 63-year-old Israeli Jew, was asked his name, then immediately shot dead for being of Palestinian ethnicity and having a Jewish name, because he was a Jew.

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> Israel has absolutely zero intention of handing over control of Gaza, The charter for Hamas for years called for the total destruction of Israel. That's been recently removed, but their actions haven't changed. Why would any nation allow such a government to be their neighbor? The best that anyone could hope for would be a North / South Korea or CCP/KMT divide, but those only work because both sides share a common…

The charter for Israel still calls for the total destruction of Palestine...

Israel doesn't really have a charter, are you thinking of Likud?
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