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Ironically, isn’t most MfM smut written by and for women?
wait what?
Gay male porn is the second most watched genre of porn among women: https://www.garrettschlichte.com/female-gaze/2019/10/22/the-...
Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope
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Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope
#712Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's pretty wild that people think that porn is more damaging to society than censorship.
One can make a very strong argument that the manosphere stuff is rooted in poor sexual attitudes of men that only got worse with tons of porn. You only need to type any random sexual thing and find any explicit subreddit you want, that’s how pervasive the porn is on even an allegedly non-porn platform. Every other game has basically stripper-level female characters now days. We’ve literally gone crazy. Holistically,…
Take a good look at the world around us, and note especially how the countries in which sexual expression and by extension porn are heavily censored also coincidentally have some of the most sexually repressive and hostile attitudes towards women and consensual intimacy between adults of any kind in real life. People being allowed to express sexuality in sometimes crude and commercialized ways is not what you should be pointing at if you want to mention a dangerous progression of society toward violent attitudes around sex.
Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope
#713Earlier quoted context omitted.
One can make a very strong argument that the manosphere stuff is rooted in poor sexual attitudes of men that only got worse with tons of porn. You only need to type any random sexual thing and find any explicit subreddit you want, that’s how pervasive the porn is on even an allegedly non-porn platform. Every other game has basically stripper-level female characters now days. We’ve literally gone crazy. Holistically,…
Take a good look at the world around us, and note especially how the countries in which sexual expression and by extension porn are heavily censored also coincidentally have some of the most sexually repressive and hostile attitudes towards women and consensual intimacy between adults of any kind in real life. People being allowed to express sexuality in sometimes crude and commercialized ways is not what you should…
There are many paths to a fallen society. I'm not disagreeing with anything you said. The answer is always in the middle. I think we've gone pretty far with the proliferation of commercialized sex in the West, and they have gone pretty far with regards to repression in the East. AI is the first time as far as I can remember where just about everyone is considering the ethical and societal implications of it. We really didn't do that for porn, video games, and social media. We're late to the discussion, but a discussion about "how much sex exactly?" is always a discussion that needs to be had. I'd say the same for "how much money exactly?". How much comfort, how much wealth, how much power, how much, how much, how much?
Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope
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Porn games are never ever visible by default on Steam. They were always opt-in. And no, Steam don't mess them up with Cyberpunk.
That is not true. Very often i find porn games not filtered out so does my partner. Which is once again, why having distinct store fronts would have solved this. No system is perfect in tag this tag that so it is better to be explicit with it so things do not leak. This is what happens when you mix it. The xyz groups get ammunition. Can you imagine if youtube launched an onlyfans like filter to allow nsfw content?
Are you absolutely sure you and your partner not changed default content filtering preferances on Steam?
Because Steam literally have settings in "Home > Account -> Store preferences -> Mature Content Preferences" with following options:
> Some Nudity or Sexual Content. Games or content that contain some nudity or sexual themes, but not as the primary focus.
This is where basically 99.9% of your normal games belong even if they have sex in them.
> Frequent Nudity or Sexual Content. Games or content that primarily feature nudity or sexual themes. By ticking this box you affirm that you are at least eighteen years old.
This is where all the sex VN slop belong.
> Adult Only Sexual Content. Games or content that are sexually explicit or graphic and are intended for adults only. By ticking this box you affirm that you are at least eighteen years old.
And this is porn.
I'm absolutely sure that "Adult Only Sexual Content" is disabled by default and pretty sure "Frequent Nudity or Sexual Content" disabled too.
Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope
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that was uncensored
What is meant by uncensored though? Did it have for example the complete unfiltered human knowledge, or was its dataset filtered to exclude e.g. 4chan?
It was uncensored enough to a point where I can confidently say that the parent's story is not true.
Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope
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It's pretty wild that people think that porn is more damaging to society than censorship.
In some ways, porn is more damaging, isn't it? For example, there's a lot of sex trafficking going on in the porn industry, but not so much in the censorship industry. I strongly oppose censorship and believe that payment processors and banks should be prohibited from engaging in it. Still, I have to admit that porn can be extremely destructive.
> there's a lot of sex trafficking going on in the porn industry, but not so much in the censorship industry
[citation needed]
I'll grant that there is sex trafficking going on at least in the fringes of the porn industry - but that's at least in part because of censorship. If porn production was widely legal and appropriately regulated, there'd be significantly less market for the edgy stuff filmed in Eastern European basements (i.e. the exact same argument as for marijuana legalisation).
There are also a bunch of regimes around the world who love censorship, and also engage in a bunch of human trafficking. For example, the UAE is notorious for both widespread censorship, and an entire class of foreign workers in various forms of indentured servitude (which for women is often prostitution)...
Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope
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I guess you can also ask "don't like gambling, don't gamble". It goes even further. What was wrong with those people poisoning Socrates? For what? Don't like what he says, do not listen to him. You know how in higher dimensional space everything is almost orthogonal? I think people are like that, some like porn, some are afraid of it, some want to be impregnated by aliens, some hate aliens. Through good intentions de…
> When should others "save" you? When it is absolutely obvious some people need saving. Who gave anyone the right to judge who needs or needs not to be saved? What if people don’t want to be saved?
I think it comes down to how much society is an entity in its own right vs just a collection of individuals. Proportionaly, saving society may be worth restricting the absolute freedom of individuals to some degree.
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Collective Shout, which organized this, claims to be an Australian feminist organization. (Admittedly, this may be an act.)
They are however influenced by the American discourse soup of lies and talking points, in the same way that the NZ mosque shooter was. Conservatives around the world talk to each other.
Also Murdoch's conservative media empire has had a strong influence in both Australia and the US
Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope
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...ok? My comment didn't say anything about the distinction you're drawing here.
My point is that it's not just a framing, an excuse to push their likes and dislikes on everyone. If anything, it's actually the other way around. Their puritan views of what makes a healthy society is what informs their likes/dislikes. They are legitimately fighting for what they legitimately think will make a healthier society. If you assume otherwise, you will misjudge them.
Its their opinion, nothing more, nothing less. Opinions are like farts or some related body parts - everybody has them, so what? Just that I and bunch of folks around have some opinion doesn't mean we have the right to push it to the rest of society.
That's inferiority complex pushed into moral superiority feeling. All just emotions of unbalanced/uneducated people who should know better but clearly don't. No place for such behavior in truly democratic society, their rights to decide what should be happening and what shouldn't generally end at the door of their house (and even that just within legal framework).
Otherwise lets give some room for neonazis too for example, they certainly have a vision about how the society should look like and behave. They are at the end just bunch of folks who want to change society for what they consider a better one, right?
Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope
#720I don’t understand people who defend porn access. Porn is an addictive behavior with measurable effects on the brain similar to hard drugs. We regulate gambling, paid access to porn is worse. Furthermore it is fraught with misogyny and exploitation and objectification of women. Would you defend ISIS games on Steam promoting Taliban-style patriarchy? Porn is worse.