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Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Never realized anything was happening as I was on Firefox, until I saw ads as my wife was browsing youtube despite installing ublock for her years ago.

My wife was pissed when I installed an adblocker for her - turns out she likes the ads.

“Heavy sigh.”

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Would love to give Firefox a chance but one thing that stops me (apart from occasional website loading bugs) is inability to install PWAs. Not sure why it’s not implemented like it has been for a long time in Chrome and all its forks. I have found a 3rd party extension that claims to facilitate this (0) but still feel uncomfortable to use this for privacy reasons. (0) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/pw…

If you really care, it's ok to just Firefox for the majority of your web browsing activities but use Chrome or a fork for PWA. Although using Firefox increasingly means a worse experience, including: * infinite loop of Cloudflare verification * inferior performance compared to Chrome (page loading, large page scrolling) * subtle bugs (e.g. audio handling) * WebUSB support I have personally run into all of them. Some…

> * infinite loop of Cloudflare verification * inferior performance compared to Chrome (page loading, large page scrolling) * subtle bugs (e.g. audio handling)

The first two are likely due to extensions rather than the core Firefox. I find at least as many cases where it’s faster, and it usually uses less memory. The third one has high variability - I’ve reported enough bugs against all of the major browsers not to trust any of them but these days there are a lot of web developers who only test on Chrome and half of the time I find what appears to be a bug in Safari or Firefox it’s really an unnecessary reliance on something Chrome specific.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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1) A lot of ads are terribly overdone and even sometimes actively malicious (malware or tracking). It makes no sense to aggressively try to stamp it out like Google is doing 2) Aside from the Page/Brin stealing tech salaries thing (yeah it really did happen) what happened to Google? They've always been a bit incompetent but their behavior (ie Chrome and increasing censorship on Google/Youtube the last few years) has…

> Aside from the Page/Brin stealing tech salaries thing (yeah it really did happen) what happened to Google?

They bought DoubleClick in 2009, with an outcome similar to the way Boeing bought McDonnell-Douglas but their management culture was taken over by acquired company. They haven’t launched a popular product since and their preexisting products have clearly been shifting to an “ads justify the means” mentality over time.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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post #629

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On the contrary, they are the last one standing fighting Google takeover of the Web as ChromeOS development platform. Without Safari we are done, just close shop on the Web standards group.

This is a lesson in capitalism. It’s so much more profitable to ignore small users bases when you can just tell them to “try switching to Chrome”. I think you’re wrong about Safari itself being the reason chrome isn’t a 90%+ market owner; rather, it’s apple’s requirement that no other browser engine can exist on iOS.

Other browser engines can exist. JIT has to be the system’s. Others can use Apple’s JavascriptCore to gain access to it and do whatever they want on top.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Even if bigs exists to work around what Google is doing, that isn’t the right way forward. If people don’t agree with Google move, the only correct course of action is to ditch Chrome (and all Chromium browsers). Hit them where it hurts and take away their monopoly over the future direction of the web.

A monopoly achieved thanks to everyone that forgot about IE lesson, and instead of learning Web standards, rather ships Chrome alongside their application.

That's fundamentally a mischaracterization.

Everyone focused on short term gains. Optimizing for browser with 30% market share, backed by Google makes more sense than a browser with 20%. Repeat with 40% and 20% respectively. And so on, and so on.

There isn't a lesson to learn. It's just short term thinking.

Now Google has enough power and lacks scruples that would prevent it from exploiting.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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> how is Chrome incompatible with web standards? It is one of the best implementer of them. They have so much market share that they control the standards bodies. The tail wags the dog.

This is not true yet, but it’s getting close. The pattern is this: - Google publishes a specification. - They raise request for feedback from the Mozilla and WebKit teams. - Mozilla and WebKit find security and privacy problems. - Google deploys their implementation anyway. - This functionality gets listed on sites like whatpwacando.today - Web developers complain about Safari being behind and accuse Apple of holding…

> Mozilla and WebKit find security and privacy problems

This is a little disingenuous because Apple often falsely claims security when it’s to hold back tech that could loosen the App Store grasp.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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post #267

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The average user does not notice any of these things. Except the YouTube thing but that's because I'm not even sure what you're talking about: I leave YouTube windows open in Firefox for weeks.

I can confirm the youtube issue. No idea if it might be some edge case with my distro or hardware. Forcing a GC collection helps but input events to the entire browser still feel laggy until I restart it. It's been going on for years now. It occurs to me that it could be a pathological edge case triggered by ublock and youtube interacting. I'm not going to disable it to find out.

Go to about:processes and kill the YouTube process. All YouTube tabs and embeds will be marked as crashed, with a button to reload them. The memory leak will be reset and you won't have to restart the whole browser.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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> "Just install Linux bro, it's better than pussy bro. What, u still got dat spyin machine goin on?? [links a 30 minute Mutahar video with him faffing about with some technologically trivial bollocks he visibly barely understands]" Please. I think it's pretty agreeable at least that this about as far removed from well supported decision making as one can casually get to be. Such a person may exist but why do you insi…

You may notice that I quote you there verbatim. I can appreciate if you're of the opinion that the rest is mischaracterizing you, I just also obviously disagree.

Where did I say "Just install Linux bro, it's better than pussy bro. What, u still got dat spyin machine goin on?? [links a 30 minute Mutahar video with him faffing about with some technologically trivial bollocks he visibly barely understands]"?

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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post #361

I don't "bypass" Chrome when they want to melt my brain with their business model, I use Firefox. I don't "bypass" Windows when they want to melt my brain with their business model, I use Linux. No idea why so many "hackers" doing "bypasses" can't instead take action that is simpler, long lasting, and easier. Do people need to jerked around 50 times for 20 years before realizing it will keep happening and their "bypa…

What makes firefox better than brave?

It supports keeping long term history so you can find a page you visited years ago from the history search in the address bar. Chrome/Google likes when you have to search for it and Brave has inherited that.
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