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Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

#711
When I start a video and it shows an ad, and 15 seconds into the video I reload the page (similar to switching a channel on tv forth and back again), why do I need to view intro ads again?

Google is so greedy that they don't care the slightest bit about being fair.

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

#712

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> We don't hate billboards because of their irrelevancy. We hate billboards because they're giant ugly attention grabbers If you read the rest of the paragraph it becomes clear that this is what was meant by irrelevant.

It’s probably stretching the meaning of the word, I think obtrusive would fit better.

No it’s using the common usage of the word irrelevant rather than the ad industry term of art. In common usage, almost all ads are irrelevant unless they simply help you find what you were already looking for (like a search ad leading to the exact website you were searching for).

The ad that convinces you to buy something you hadn’t thought of before (while watching a video related to that topic) would be considered relevant by the ad industry. But that’s still irrelevant in common usage because you were watching a video, not shopping.

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

#713

The primary thing that makes advertisements disagreeable is their irrelevance. That’s not to say whether or not the advertisement is for a product or service for which the viewer is interested in purchasing but how it relates to the context in which it is viewed. People complain about billboards next to a countryside highway because it is entirely irrelevant to driving through the countryside. Actual complaints may b…

I completely agree, though with a twist. Google knows everything about me and yet I get ADs for things that I would never purchase. Just because I'm a middle aged male I see trucks, and beer, and football advertisements all day long. Those are irrelevant to me. If Google would only use their immense knowledge of me and what I like, I might be more amenable to watching their ADs. Where are the ADs for geeky movies tha…

> Google knows everything about me

No it doesn't. Google is highly restrained when it comes to using what it knows about you to serve you ads. Way more restrained than for example Meta or the newer Chinese apps like TikTok.

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

#714

I recently stopped watching youtube altogether and surprisingly haven't been missing it. And I used to watch a LOT (like hours per day) of youtube, mostly quality educational/scientific content. But ultimately you'd be surprised how much you don't need in your life. And side effect is no more ads. If someone sends me an occasional youtube video to watch, I'll take a look, but otherwise no engagement with the platform…

Or just pay for it? I have my whole family on my plan. Nobody gets ads. It is a bargain. You're right, I could probably finish my motorcycle build projects without videos. But why??

> Or just pay for it? I have my whole family on my plan.

Thats exactly what some mobster would say to you when asking/forcing you for some money to buy protection for his etablisment.

I see that you can argue that you use a service that costs money. Yes. But the advertising is unacceptable not only because it is advertising, but also because of its content AND the way it is delivered. You can't support that.

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

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Dear YouTube, It’s not so much that I don’t want to see ads - nobody does, but very very often the ad breaks the vibe of what I am watching and it displeases me to the point I will invest my soul and energy to block ads. Some real-life examples: - watching a video about coding where the creator has a monotonic, calm voice that keeps me engaged, and VS Code in dark mode which is easy on my eyes in my dark room at 2am,…

Any business model where ads can be paid off has no incentive to make good ads. Ads are meant to be annoying enough so that people prefer paying. Hence the war on ad-blockers.

Google did well my making the main search ads not too annoying - just a bit of text rather than flashing dancing nonsense. If they'd done the later people would have switched to bing or what have you.

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

#716

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Idk man instead of freeloading how about paying for the service? I generally avoid dismissive comments like these but I think it needs to be said. If you don’t like ads pay for the service. You don’t deserve content for free.

Even if you pay for YouTube you will still see ads inserted by the content creators.

That's not up to YouTube, that's what the creator is doing.

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

#717
post #616

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> If the billboards were all about driving-related products Well, I don't complain about road signs.

The road signs are also unwelcome eye sores. However, they provide a lot of value by achieving safer road traffic so we tolerate them. That value still needs to be compared and evaluated for delivering information vs delivering annoyance. If information were delivered by giant, flashing, multicolored road signs every 50 meters the answer would be different. My 2c.

Precisely. Thank you.

Road signs are relevant so we dont complain about them despite being an ugly eyesore.

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

#718
post #709

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Any business model where ads can be paid off has no incentive to make good ads. Ads are meant to be annoying enough so that people prefer paying. Hence the war on ad-blockers.

This is too simplistic. Youtube started as an ad-supported service and today ads still generate the lion share of Youtube's revenue. Youtube ads are some of the most expensive to buy; Google has no incentive to push viewers off the ad-supported tier. Google wants you to watch ads OR pay for a subscription, but it doesn't necessarily care which; they make money off you either way. The reason Youtube offers a premium t…

depending on what they watch and how much time watching, youtube might actually lose money on a premium user. I imagine it's not easy to watch enough be worth $12 dollars worth of ads in one month tho...

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

#719
post #239

Why do we justify blocking ads, even when we know the content we’re consuming isn’t free to create and even if the content is free, it still costs money to store and distribute? We often rationalize using ad blockers because ads can be intrusive or annoying. But let’s asking ourselves: Why do we feel entitled to get this for free? This isn’t a moral judgment. I genuinely want to understand the reasoning.

I was trying to show someone a scene from a 45-minute YouTube video the other day. I didn't know where it was so I was randomly choosing points to watch. _Every single time_ I clicked on the scrubber I was hit with a 30-second advertisement. Mind you, I always watched maybe 3 seconds of the actual content before moving on. After the 8th time I gave up and vowed to never open YouTube on a device without adblock again. This was so beyond the pale I'm never going to give Google another cent.

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

#720
post #554

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Injecting the ads directly would make them skippable. Unskippable ads are inherently detectable (because the unskippability has to be communicated to the client-side player controls), so there’s no easy way out.

The server can just ignore the player and send the bytes for the ad until its finished.

The server can't completely ignore the player, as it would have to adjust the embedded timestamps to be consistent with the skip operations, or otherwise the player won't show the video. In other words, the server would have to act as if the ad is embedded wherever you skip to in the video. Not only would it mean that users lose their position in the video when they try to skip, since after the ad it would continue in a different place, but it would also mean that timestamps don't uniquely identify positions in the non-ad parts of the video anymore, which is a nonstarter in many ways.
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