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Post by Sabinus »

nickff wrote: post #654
alabastervlog wrote: post #609

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I'm a lefty lib and, like lots of us, I've wanted restricted trade with China since we granted them MFN status in the '90s. I think that was a bad idea in the first place. Neoliberalism is not popular and never was. Donors like it. Workers don't. The only reason either party could stick to it and still win elections, is because both stuck to it. Neither "defected". Tariffing Canada and Mexico? The EU? Yeah, not so mu…

If you want to restrict imports from China, it is somewhat necessary to restrict trade from Western countries as well, in order to prevent evasion by trans-shipping (until and unless they restrict Chinese imports as well). Canada has been laundering Chinese aluminum and steel, Malaysia has been laundering Chinese ‘honey’, etc.

>If you want to restrict imports from China, it is somewhat necessary to restrict trade from Western countries as wel

A good strategy would be not to impose tariffs all goods, just the more important ones, and you would do it WITH your allies. Threaten the same tariffs on allies as China if they do not get on board. You could even use the leverage to get China to increase domestic consumption so they aren't exporting so hard.

Trump's policies aren't going to achieve what he thinks they will.

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Post by Sabinus »

gruez wrote: post #492
dingnuts wrote: post #377

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> Helping them requires creating vast numbers of better paying jobs with better working condition in their country, which require redirecting vast amounts of money to those countries This was the logic under Deng, and the reason China is now a peer state. Unfortunately when doing business with communists, enriching them doesn't help the individuals move out of poverty because that would require wages to rise and that…

>Unfortunately when doing business with communists, enriching them doesn't help the individuals move out of poverty because that would require wages to rise and that happens for political reasons not merit in a single party system But poverty has dropped and income has risen under the CCP? You can argue that the CCP doesn't actually care about "individuals moving out of poverty", and all they care about is staying in…

Apparently the CCP does suppress wages in various ways to keep export goods manufactured cheaply/competitively. It's probably more of an economic strategy than an expression of collectivism but I can't be sure.

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Post by crowcroft »

netcan wrote: post #592
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Advertising on the whole is not recession proof[1], although in the last two dips Google showed growth in ad revenue[2], and Meta was relatively stable[3]. The first thing that gets cut is 'new channels' and experiments (read: channels that have bad measurable ROI). Pinterest, X, Snap. After that it's the most 'wasteful' brand spending/high cost per reach broadcast media that gets cut. Cinema, local TV, and increasin…

Google search (and online direct marketing broadly) have pretty direct impact on sales. It's true that they held up well, relative to "traditional advertising" in recent downturn. However... there are a lot of money losing campaigns out there. A lot of that relates to economic buoyancy. Startups showing growth for the next round. But also established companies getting into new sectors, defending market share, etc. We…

I do agree, Google and probably Meta even more so are likely to be impacted now just because they've become so overwhelmingly dominant. There's nowhere else left to cut for a lot of brands.

What will be more interesting though is if that money comes back to Meta or Google, or if people will find new, better opportunities while they pull back (eg. what happened to TV in 08).

Meta are concerned about this and already trying to book in bulk sales for next year with agencies which is something they've never done before https://digiday.com/media-buying/meta-moves-into-controversi...

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Post by margalabargala »

_xtrimsky wrote: post #708
margalabargala wrote: post #428

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That's not how tariffs work. You pay the sticker price, which does not include tariffs. The package ships. It arrives at the US border, and the carrier (DHL or whoever) bills you for the import tax before it leaves the port. Maybe this will change, but up until now when importing things, tariffs were not part of the price paid to the seller.

I see some ways this could be exploited. Let's say I have a nemesis, I could in theory spend 100$ in packages from China, and ship it to them. And they'll have to pay 245$ in tariffs ? (245% today).

It's not exploitable in that way.

The bill received is a "you must pay this if you want the package. If you do not, we will destroy the package". It's not a contractual obligation where you get sent to collections or take a credit hit if you don't pay.

In the situation you described, the end result is that your nemesis does nothing, pays nothing, and you are out $100.

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Post by netcan »

crowcroft wrote: post #713
netcan wrote: post #592

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Google search (and online direct marketing broadly) have pretty direct impact on sales. It's true that they held up well, relative to "traditional advertising" in recent downturn. However... there are a lot of money losing campaigns out there. A lot of that relates to economic buoyancy. Startups showing growth for the next round. But also established companies getting into new sectors, defending market share, etc. We…

I do agree, Google and probably Meta even more so are likely to be impacted now just because they've become so overwhelmingly dominant. There's nowhere else left to cut for a lot of brands. What will be more interesting though is if that money comes back to Meta or Google, or if people will find new, better opportunities while they pull back (eg. what happened to TV in 08). Meta are concerned about this and already t…

Interesting. Preselling ads huh?

I think your point about dominance is a main player. I can make a dozen cases for LLMs as world of opportunity and compliments for both of these companies.

It takes a lot of opportunity/gain to hedge against the risk of losing 20% of search or social media revenue.

If you already have the whole market, losing share is easier than gaining.

But to a dominant incumbent..."threat" just tends to come with bigger multiplier.

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Post by zamalek »

ldoughty wrote: post #556
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All of them made out of balsa wood yet have 10,000 5-star reviews. It’s a joke

> I was very pleased with my "[brand name, if applicable] toilet seat, (2-pack), premium pure white, toolless installation", that I purchased for my family. Would definitely recommend it to friends and family. It arrived promptly and was in perfect condition. You exceeded your current quota please check your plan and billing details. The above is similar to recent reviews I've seen. It's infuriating that there is a r…

I got one of those "leave us a 5 star review for a coupon" and I had just enough of it. I left a 1 star review indicating that they offered a coupon for a good review.

Amazon took my review down.

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Post by andrekandre »

accrual wrote: post #664
ceejayoz wrote: post #649

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> The company is based in Salt Lake City. Chinese drop shippers aren't dumb enough to pull the scam from within the FTC's juridsiction .

> after he posted a video on social media titled "MADE IN AMERICA!" in which he said "he could conceal the fact that his shirts are made in China by ripping out the original tags and replacing them with tags stating that the merchandise was made in the United States". Or to openly advertise it.

wow, i guess this is where the "made in america" rubber hits the road...

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Post by bahmboo »

chirau wrote: post #518
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The article is about Temu. Amazon is not mentioned.

Maybe you should read the article before commenting? Section:"Why we care"

You are right, I did read the article but I missed the parenthetical (assuming the article was not updated, imagine). My point was that the commenter was complaining about Amazon "alphabet soup" names which is not relevant to this. There is a very specific reason those names are used. It's a very interesting story about follow on effects.

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Post by genewitch »

Propelloni wrote: post #673
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If readers believe I am making false claims, please engage with me. I live in Denmark, as a Dane, and this is what I and any Dane who has bought goods from the US, has experienced directly. The actual, lived experience is far different than whatever any bloc or country may claim (such as being in favor of free trade). The EU has always been economically protectionist, since its birth.

Hey, thanks for pointing de minimis out. For those not in the know (and too lazy to look it up ;)), de minimis rules for customs duties set a threshold below which no import duties are applied. The de minimis threshold for the USA used to be 800 US$ (and for now continues to be for all but imports from China), the de minimis threshold of the EU is 150 EUR. In other words, if you import goods worth less than 800 US$ i…

When i wanted a DVD player, the cheapest near-mint one on ebay, including shipping, that had digital audio out was shipped from the UK, to the US west coast. This was ~25 years ago.

I ended up trading it for a Volkswagen Jetta. unrelated, but quirky.

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Post by Nursie »

codedokode wrote: post #701
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Because it's subsidised or effectively subsidised by treaty - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Postal_Union AFAICT it means that postal costs are only paid in the originating country, and receiving countries are still obliged to deliver.

But the postal costs still have to be paid, even if it is in China (wow, 4 2-letter words starting with an "i").

Not really, no. Not at the same level.

If I order a $2 item from aliexpress with free shipping, like some baseball caps I just found, nobody is paying the $10 postage fee it would cost just on shipping to send one within Australia, in China or anywhere else. Let alone the $25 it would cost to send the item the other way, back to China.

The treaty distorts the cost of delivery massively in favour of countries with low internal post costs, and ends up creating absurd situations like this.

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