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Post by pdabbadabba »

amunozo wrote: post #678

It is not only copyright that is problematic. It generates Franco when asked about the best Spanish leader in the 20th century. https://chatgpt.com/share/67efebf4-3b14-8011-8c11-8f806c7ff6...

On the one hand, that seems problematic. But on the other, it seems cherry-picked: For the U.S., it generates a picture of JFK. For Russia/USSR, it gives Stalin. For India, it gives Ghandi. For South Africa it gives Nelson Mandela. For Germany, it provides an appropriately hand-wringing text response and eventually suggests Konrad Adenauer.

This suggests to me that its response is driven more by a leader's fame or (more charitably) influence, rather than a bias towards fascist ideology.

https://chatgpt.com/share/67eff74d-61f0-8013-8ce4-f07f02a385...

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Post by paulryanrogers »

dcow wrote: post #695
paulryanrogers wrote: post #294

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There are also trademark protections. I heard Ford actually trademarked his likeness to ensure he got a piece of the merchandise action.

Trademarking your likeness is absurd. How do we even let that happen.

IMO everyone should automatically have rights over their own likeness, especially when it comes to commercial ventures.

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Post by nticompass »

enopod_ wrote: post #656

Looks to me like OpenAI drew their guardrails somewhere along a financial line. Generate a Micky Mouse or a Pikachu? Disney and Pokemon will sue the sh*t out of you. Ghibli? Probably not powerful enough to risk a multimillion years long court battle.

I thought Disney had the rights to publish Ghibli movies in the US.

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Post by kerkeslager »

djoldman wrote: post #332

I don't condone or endorse breaking any laws. That said, trademark laws like life of the author + 95 years are absolutely absurd. The ONLY reason to have any law prohibiting unlicensed copying of intangible property is to incentivize the creation of intangible property. The reasoning being that if you don't allow people to exclude 3rd party copying, then the primary party will assumedly not receive compensation for t…

> There are approximately zero people who decide they'll create something if they're protected for 95 years after their death but won't if it's 94 years. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same for 1 year past death.

I think life of creator + some reasonable approximation of family members life expectancy would make sense. Content creators do create to ensure their family's security in some cases, I would guess.

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Post by bluGill »

econ wrote: post #673
csallen wrote: post #466

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> The ONLY reason to have any law prohibiting unlicensed copying of intangible property is to incentivize the creation of intangible property. That was the original purpose. It has since been coopted by people and corporations whose incentives are to make as much money as possible by monopolizing valuable intangible "property" for as long as they can. And the chief strategic move these people have made is to convince…

>the average person speaks and thinks in these terms, (Trademarks aside) Even more surprising to me is how everyone seems concerned about the studios making enough money?! As if they should make any money at all. As if it is up to us to create a profitable game for them. If they all go bankrupt today I won't lose any sleep over it. People also try to make a living selling bananas and apples. Should we create an elabo…

> Even more surprising to me is how everyone seems concerned about the studios making enough money?! As if they should make any money at all. As if it is up to us to create a profitable game for them.

Do you want more games (movies, books...)? Then you want studios to make money in that type of game. Because and if they make money they have incentive to do so. Now if you are happy with the number and quality of free games a few hard core people who will do it even if they make nothing then you don't care. However games generally take a lot of effort to create and so by paying people to make them we can ensure people who want to actually have the time - as opposed want to but instead have to spend hours in a field farming for their food.

Now it is true that games often do look alike and many are not worth making and such. However if you want more you need to ensure they make money so it is worth investing.

We can debate how much they should make and how long copyright should be for. However you want them to make money so they make more.

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Post by feoren »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #652
District5524 wrote: post #579

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I asked Sora to turn a random image of my friend and myself into Italian plumbers. Nothing more, just the two words "Italian plumbers". The created picture was not shown to me because it was in violation of OpenAI's content policy. I asked then just to turn the guys on the picture into plumbers, but I asked this in the Italian language. Without me asking for it, Sora put me in an overall and gave me a baseball cap, a…

You (and the article, etc) show what a lot of the "work" in AI is going into at the moment - creating guardrails against creating something that might get them in trouble, and / or customizing weights and prompts under water to generate stuff that isn't the obvious. I'm reminded of when Google's image generator came up and this customization bit them in the ass when they generated a black pope or asian vikings. AI to…

I remember all the hullaballoo about Asian Vikings and the like. It was so preposterous that Vikings would ever be Asian that it must be ultra-woke DEI mind-worms being forced onto AI! But of course, as far as the AI's concerned, it is even more preposterous that an Italian plumber would not be wearing red or green overalls with a mustache and a lettered baseball cap. I don't see any way you can get the AI to recognize that Vikings "should" be white people and not also think that Italian plumbers "should" look like that. Are they allowed to recombine their training data or must they strictly adhere to only what they've seen?

Of course the irony is that if the people who get offended whenever they see images of non-white people asked for a picture of "Vikings being attacked by Godzilla" , they'd get worked up if any of the Vikings in the picture were Asian (how unrealistic!). It's a made-up universe! The image contains a damn (Asian) Kaiju in it, and everyone is supposed to be pissed because the Vikings are unrealistic!?

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Post by kerkeslager »

pdabbadabba wrote: post #711
amunozo wrote: post #678

It is not only copyright that is problematic. It generates Franco when asked about the best Spanish leader in the 20th century. https://chatgpt.com/share/67efebf4-3b14-8011-8c11-8f806c7ff6...

On the one hand, that seems problematic. But on the other, it seems cherry-picked: For the U.S., it generates a picture of JFK. For Russia/USSR, it gives Stalin. For India, it gives Ghandi. For South Africa it gives Nelson Mandela. For Germany, it provides an appropriately hand-wringing text response and eventually suggests Konrad Adenauer. This suggests to me that its response is driven more by a leader's fame or (m…

Literally nothing you've said in this post matters.

I'm not seeing anyone claiming that ChatGPT selects for mass-murderous dictators--the fact that it doesn't select for NOT mass-murderous dictators is damning enough.

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Post by bluGill »

techpression wrote: post #636
johanvts wrote: post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For movies in particular the tail is very thin. Only very few 50 year old movies are ever watched. Was any commercial movie ever financed without a view to making a profit in the box office/initial release?

According to Matt Damon (in one of many interviews) a lot of movies were produced with the second revenue stream (vhs/dvd) being part of the calculations, that is why we now get a lot less variety and alternative movies made, that second revenue stream doesn’t exist any more (I assume streaming pays very little in comparison).

True, but how much of that second stream exists after say 5 years? For most movies it is zero - they aren't pressing the DVD anymore and all stores that once had no longer do (except for second hand stores which don't give money to the studio)
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