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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by raxxorraxor »

_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #287
echelon wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current administration does not support free speech for everyone. It's actively punishing free speech. You're right -- many people who claim to support free speech really mean they favor "free speech for me, not for thee." And typically these people want to be able to say controversial things without consequence. But how people respond to speech is orthogonal to whether or not we are allowed to exercise our right…

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

I think Popper would be quite sad with how people abuse his intend with stating it.

Without a lot of context from Popper this principle isn't even a very good one and Popper certainly would agree here.

It just displays that you didn't put time into it thinking it through, especially if you just distribute links.

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Post by raxxorraxor »

galaxyLogic wrote: post #362
echelon wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current administration does not support free speech for everyone. It's actively punishing free speech. You're right -- many people who claim to support free speech really mean they favor "free speech for me, not for thee." And typically these people want to be able to say controversial things without consequence. But how people respond to speech is orthogonal to whether or not we are allowed to exercise our right…

It would be counter-intuitive if they defended the free speech of those who want to take away the free speech of others. Part of Free Speech is that it does not matter to have it if nobody hears you, maybe because your voice is drowned out by powerful media, serving the interests of the few. Therefore we need Equal Rights to free speech for everybody, especially when it comes to elections.

The ACLU did change course noticeably and there is ample criticism for that and this resulted in their diminished influence of today. There was even bipartisan consent on that, especially regarding the first amendment.

For example if you search for the "ACLU lost its way", you will find a lot about their behavior. I think the opinion pieces are often well argued.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by citizenkeen »

andreygrehov wrote: post #603
dbmikus wrote: post #558

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This is BS that Trump is making up so he can say the USA is at war and deport people without due process. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-judge-extends-block-trum...

You can disagree with Trump as much as you want. There is an executive order signed by the President. None of those Reuters and the like explanations matter. Given the executive order is in place, it doesn’t matter who signed it. Since it’s coming from the White House, it’s perfectly valid to reference it.

Executive Orders are not law.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by areyouliving »

dgacmu wrote: post #15
tombert wrote: post #3

I understand why these things have to be posted, but I would be lying if I said that I wasn't utterly exhausted by the constant shit that the Trump administration is spitting at us. I mean, I get it, bad shit needs to be reported on, the Trump admin does a lot of bad shit, it makes sense, but it's just extremely tiring. I know that's kind of the point, to bombard us with all this shit all at once so that we are exhau…

You said you didn't know what to do, so some ideas to start the ideas flowing for you: - support media, particularly local. - there are protests to attend if that's your thing. Tesla takedown is one set that's getting a lot of traction. (Note: these are peaceful protests; don't hurt people's cars). There's a broad "hands off" protest April 5, as another example. - build and stay in touch with community. - encourage o…

As far as I can tell my local media and government are more corrupt than national / federal. All local newspapers, radio stations, and TV "news" are owned by a handful of entities.

Citizens who practice free speech are being disappeared to El Salvador.

If you organize resistance, you will be targeted by billionaires and their massive media networks.

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Post by areyouliving »

travisgriggs wrote: post #479

Back and forth. Here's what I see. Spend some time with older people now days (disclosure, I am 54, male, and heartsick). Look at what older people watch. Talk to those that are anywhere near MAGA ideas, you'll find that it has nothing to do with an America that is great again. It has everything to do with "make me great/relevant again." Now go to Wikipedia, pull out a your favorite scripting language/spreadsheet (yo…

It's true, but they're victims of mass manipulation by omnipresent media. They subject themselves to it, but it's hardly by choice when there are thousands of people spending trillions of dollars and millions of working hours to indoctrinate them.

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

leovingi wrote: post #690
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #673

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Trump and his ilk are literally “elites”, richest cabinet in history and that’s excluding the unelected SS cutter that meddles into everything. DEI, just so you know, also covers programmes that help poor communities by providing funding for education.

My entire life, professional and otherwise, DEI has ultimately stood for nothing other than "less white people". Of course it's dressed up in definitions that sound beautiful and moral to the supporters of DEI, but at the end of the day whenever someone uses the term "diverse" they are talking about "less white people". When the company John Lewis was criticized for a lack of diversity [1], it was because they had to…

And here I was talking about consequential stuff, like helping impoverished communities, adding guardrails to prevent old-boys clubs and enable skilled individuals to enter fields without prejudice for “being black” or “being gay”.

Who cares about criticism over inconsequential stuff? Is it that difficult to care about impoverished people?

The meals for kids at schools is a “dei” program, and republicans axed it, well done! The repubs are also sending kids to work overtime and during the night, effectively gutting their future, and of course it’s the impoverished kids who will have to do that.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by areyouliving »

timewizard wrote: post #292
mattnewton wrote: post #157

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Calling things disinformation is not analogous to deporting people and threatening to withhold funds from colleges that don’t crack down on speech the government doesn’t like hard enough; I’m not claiming there was no civil liberty violated by any previous administration, I am claiming this is a serious escalation of a new kind of attack on the first amendment.

> I’m not claiming there was no civil liberty violated by any previous administration Well. There you go. We can argue about degrees between the red and blue ties but where would that get us? It's a ratchet. I can point out the many problems of the past administration and you can point them all out in this one, and in 8 years time, it will be worse. > I am claiming this is a serious escalation of a new kind of attack…

What are you referencing specifically? I'm not aware of due process or other rights violations during Biden's term and am curious what you mean.

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Post by raxxorraxor »

asveikau wrote: post #266
CapricornNoble wrote: post #183

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> A bunch of papers related to the JFK assassination that say Lee Harvey Oswald did it and acted alone. Who cares? That's not what people are concluding in the information spaces I'm in at all. Many of the CIA documents show highly suspicious travel, activities, and statements, particularly for James Angleton, William King Harvey, and a few others who's names escape me. They lend credence to the theory that Allen Dul…

Delusional people will see all information as supporting their delusion.

Who is delusional here? Dulles did explicitely support political murders. It maybe was a different time, but without other evidence what would make you suggest that this isn't in a realm of possiblities?

This was and perhaps still is the modus operandi of some public figures. To ignore it is strange at least.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by leovingi »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #716
leovingi wrote: post #690

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My entire life, professional and otherwise, DEI has ultimately stood for nothing other than "less white people". Of course it's dressed up in definitions that sound beautiful and moral to the supporters of DEI, but at the end of the day whenever someone uses the term "diverse" they are talking about "less white people". When the company John Lewis was criticized for a lack of diversity [1], it was because they had to…

And here I was talking about consequential stuff, like helping impoverished communities, adding guardrails to prevent old-boys clubs and enable skilled individuals to enter fields without prejudice for “being black” or “being gay”. Who cares about criticism over inconsequential stuff? Is it that difficult to care about impoverished people? The meals for kids at schools is a “dei” program, and republicans axed it, wel…

>helping impoverished communities, adding guardrails to prevent old-boys clubs and enable skilled individuals to enter fields without prejudice for “being black” or “being gay”

Exactly, like I said - "it's dressed up in definitions that sound beautiful and moral to the supporters of DEI".

I do not care for theoretical definitions of why your ideology is good and moral, I care about its practical effects on me and the world around me. And somehow, those practical effects always turn out to be "less white people".

And I will NEVER support an ideology that disenfranchises me under the cover of equality!

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by aredox »

andreygrehov wrote: post #618
aredox wrote: post #540

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I don't think it is normal to fight to go to nightclubs while others fight and die for everyone's freedom.

Well, if the night clubs are working, then what kind of a war is that? Obviously the video is just one of many others, eg it’s not limited to night clubs.

They are open for soldiers on official leave?

But keep comparing being arrested by official police for draft dodging in the middle of a war for existence to sending secret hooded officers to arrest a brown-skinned scarf-wearing woman for supposedly antisemitism while your pal Boer Elon is doing Nazi salutes in public.

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