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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by rayiner »

maxerickson wrote: post #315
rayiner wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t randomly accuse people of “sophistry.” Zelensky is publicly demanding a security guarantee, and sprung that on Trump at the meeting. I didn’t say there couldn’t be other support, but the security guarantee is what I’m talking about because that seems to be critical.

Why are you saying it's random? Trump isn't meeting the existing obligations and you are talking about how problematic Ukraine's condition for new agreements would be.

We have no obligation to support Ukraine under that memorandum.

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Post by dagss »

geysersam wrote: post #246
echoangle wrote: post #105

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You don’t think Norwegians will hesitate to give trump the peace price if he does what he does?

I didn't say that. I said their border with Russia doesn't influence that decision.

The committee selecting the winner is formed of Norwegians. Norwegians "average worldview" and sources of information therefore affects who gets the prize.

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Post by ziml77 »

csa wrote: post #657
ty6853 wrote: post #191

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It would come as no surprise if Russian intelligence has some juicy blackmail material.

> It would come as no surprise if Russian intelligence has some juicy blackmail material. I’m pretty sure the only blackmail that could be bad enough to motivate Trump would be if he had relations with a minor. I’m pretty sure that’s the only thing that could make the core of his base alienate him. Whatever kinks people speculate about, none of that will matter. In fact, I bet whatever kink he is into would instantly…

I'm not even convinced him doing things witch a minor would make his base hate him. More likely is they'll just call it a lie or excuse it as something like "well she looked old enough. What was he supposed to do, ask for her ID card?"

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Post by grouchomarx »

iammjm wrote: post #325

"Free world" my ass. As a European, the US has always been my favorite country and I've been basically universally pro-US all my life. The Recent US decisions managed to turn it 180 degrees for me, in a matter of basically a couple of months. As I consider myself to be a more or less statistical normie, I assume theres many, many more people like me. So: fuck US & eat shit, go suck Putins dick while the EU & the rest…

>pro-US all my life >So: fuck US & eat shit

too bad it only took you a few moments to take on this mentality after a lifetime of goodwill. America's been hijacked you should continue to stand with it

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Post by Encounter »

hnburnsy wrote: post #669
unethical_ban wrote: post #469

Every time I ask rhetorically what a known, paid Russian asset would do differently as President of the US than Trump is doing, I get crickets from Trump supporters.

>what a known, paid Russian asset would do differently as President of the US than Trump Well the obvious one is dropping Russian sanctions. Has Trump done this?

It seems to be in the works: https://www.reuters.com/world/white-house-seeks-plan-possibl...

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Post by lazypenguin »

MiscCompFacts wrote: post #697
skinnymuch wrote: post #671

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Presumably innocent Russian men are being kidnapped and forced to fight for a dictator just as much. So let’s stop blaming the victim when Russia is clearly the aggressor and started this whole ordeal.

Surprisingly the Russian army is mostly volunteer since the average pay right now is quite high by Russian standards. There are also standard conscripted soldiers as part of the country’s required service. Allegedly the conscripts are kept away from front lines since the death of conscripted young men in Afghanistan was part of the political death knell that led to the fall of the Soviet Union.

Unfortunately Ukraine is having to rely more on involuntary conscription to fill the ranks as volunteer numbers have dwindled. There are many documented cases of TASS “kidnapping” military age men.

I don’t see the parent poster blaming anybody. Maybe you can say they provided a one-sided view but what they wrote was factual.

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Post by rayiner »

freejazz wrote: post #530
rayiner wrote: post #250

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You think random factoids are driving Trump’s viewpoint? Trump overthrew the Bush dynasty by eviscerating Jeb over the Iraq War: https://youtu.be/H4ThZcq1oJQ?si=Y3nWQeiui8KJhj8b . Now, neocons want to chalk that up as bad execution of an otherwise sound ideology. But you don’t think that Trump’s supporters could genuinely disagree with that assessment—think that the underlying problem is that america is too willing t…

I always wonder how is it that you are allowed to post so much in controversial political threads, yet your posts are usually significantly voted down. Does the rate limiting not apply to you? Also is anyone seriously suggested France or Germany would be next? Wouldn't it be more like Poland? And your perspective reeks of the weeks prior to the Ukraine invasion, where so many swore Russia would never do it, it was ju…

I voted for Biden, and while I was unhappy with the result for many reasons, I thought he did an okay job keeping us from getting more deeply involved in the Ukraine war.

Many people seem to take it as axiomatic that the U.S. has an obligation to use force to maintain pre-existing borders. And we simply don’t agree with you about that. The standard for me is whether it’s going to significantly affect the daily life of someone in Iowa.

So maybe I’d care if anyone was seriously saying France and Germany could fall to Russia. But short of that?

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Post by rayiner »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #446
rayiner wrote: post #253

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Like most Asians and most Muslims, I have been opposed to the “rules based international order” my entire adult life. American proxy wars have caused tremendous damage around the world. And I’m incredibly proud we finally have an American President who realizes they don’t serve American interests either. This is not a new sentiment and it caused by Russian social media propaganda: https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,…

American proxy wars propping up illegitimate governments that rule without the consent of the governed have caused problems. The US is supporting a legitimate government against an invading dictatorship. The broad brush you paint with would have had the US not support the allies with weapons in WW2 all the way through 1941.

That was true of Vietnam and South Korea too. And in Iraq we were toppling a brutal dictatorship and in Syria we would’ve been doing that. The U.S. shouldn’t have been getting involved in any of those. Democracy promotion is not a legitimate foreign policy—because for many countries (maybe most countries) authoritarianism is better than a dysfunctional democracy.

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Post by codedokode »

nanotuber wrote: post #571

Comments are disappointing for hacker news standard. This pause was predictable (I predicted it in Nov 2024). It's negotiation leverage to steer toward an immediate resolution of the war. An immediate resolution of the war cuts losses: Ukraine loses territory, but keeps its sovereignty. The challenge is that there aren't many other viable paths. An indefinite forever war, with high risk of a Ukraine state collapse, i…

Now it is difficult time for negotiations due to Russia being in a favourable position and being able to demand more. While Trump needs to fulfill his promise to "end the war in the first day", Russia doesn't have to hurry although it wants to end the war too (after all, it was supposed to last just several weeks).

A good time for negotiations was in 2022, but it is lost.

> I doubt any peace negotiated will last decades

I think Russia doesn't want the second war like this because it was supposed to last several weeks but ended up lasting several years.

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