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That is partly true, but it's also true that vastly increased enforcement against the big guys would still be better than what we have now.

Suppose that the status quo is the worst option, the second worst is enforcing the bad laws against the big guys, the best is getting rid of those laws. Now, that might not be the case. Given the existence of bad laws , having someone who is able to break out of the bad cage might be better than if no one can, but let's consider what happens if we assume that it's worse. Regardless of how they're ranked relative to e…

I don't agree. Getting more comprehensive enforcement of laws in general against well-heeled players is a good thing. We would have a lot less bad law if laws were enforced more evenly, because people would more quickly see their true effects, rather than having to wait until companies exploited the loopholes in enforcement so egregiously.

(I also don't agree that the only problem here is bad laws. Yes, some of the laws that big players break are bad; some are fine. I'm not just talking about Uber here.)

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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> The driver can't scam the passenger > The passenger can't scam the driver. Progress! Uber scams both passenger and driver. Hooray for Free Markets™!

Under what definition of “scam” is that the case?

https://locusmag.com/2024/05/cory-doctorow-no-one-is-the-ens...

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Political will shouldn't be required to enforce existing law. If i started a 1 man illegal taxi service it would be shut down even though it has little effect on the community, but saudi vc funded startup wasn't shut down even though it violated laws in every major city. That is a weird asymmetry as a us citizen.

What's really happening here is that the laws are supposed to reflect the political will, i.e. the will of the people, but in many cases they don't, because the lawmakers have been captured by incumbents. Then if a little guy comes in and tries to challenge them, they don't have the resources to resist the incumbents' pocket government officials and get destroyed. But if a big fish does it, people actually notice if…

i will simply disagree that the dominant social dynamic leading to this favoring of foriegn capital over us law is not systemic corruption.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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The only alternative I remember is "black car" services, eg airport limos and the like. But there was very little automation around it; you had to speak on the phone with someone to book, and it was always like 24+ hours out rather than "go to the place now" the way a cab is.

Most taxi services will send a car to your address immediately, no reservation required. Problem is, you have to know the exact address where you want to be picked up, which can sometimes be difficult to determine if you're new in town and/or standing on a street with no obvious sign or address, e.g. on the edge of a large university campus. That's where GPS-driven apps really shine, plus the ability to see the car's…

Indeed, but I was referring specifically to the charge that taxi alternatives (eg, outside the medallion system) existed pre-Uber. And I think, they did, but only in very limited use cases like airport shuttles, and not with fleets anywhere near large enough to have a car five minutes from anywhere at all times— hence the need to book those things ahead.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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The more I learn about how AI companies trained their models, the more obvious it is that the rest of us are just suckers. We're out here assuming that laws matter, that we should never misrepresent or hide what we're doing for our work, that we should honor our own terms of use and the terms of use of other sites/products, that if we register for a website or piece of content we should always use our work email addr…

This sort of mindset is devoid of morals and honor. Don’t fall into the this mindset trap.

Like when Trump said he is “smart” for evading taxes during the presidential debates (IIRC the first ones, not recent ones).

It’s absolutely despicable. Have a moral compass. Treat people fairly. Be nice. Let’s be better than toddlers who haven’t learned yet that hitting is bad, and you shouldn’t do it even if mommy and daddy aren’t in the room.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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This should be legal. Copyright law does more harm than good. The only ethical problem here is that only Meta sized companies can afford to pay the "damages" for such blatant law violations at worst, or the fees of their lawyers at best.

Copyright law does more harm than good to individuals who just want to learn and enjoy content without profiting from it.

Companies like Meta and OpenAI, however, should definitely have to pay to use the hard work of humans to train their AI.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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The solution to that would not have been rabid capitalism just bulldozing over laws because the laws suck and further entrenching that "laws only matter for the poor". The solution to the pre-Uber state of the taxi industry would be to actually have the regulations authorities enforce the regulation. But it seems across the Western world that having regulations authorities do their job and regulate is like the devil…

Let's not pretend that the taxi situation was hunkey-dory before big-bad-tech came onto the scene. There's no regulation that says if I call dispatch to request a taxi one has to show up, and "we'll pick you up when we pick you up" was (and is still) a common mode of operation. In NYC, it was (is?) against the law to hail a black car on the street, even if they were sitting there ready willing and able to drive you,…

> In NYC, it was (is?) against the law to hail a black car on the street, even if they were sitting there ready willing and able to drive you, because the taxi cartel got _regulations_ to make it that way.

That's precisely what I meant with "in some cases the regulations themselves were crap". But that doesn't imply the idea of regulation is bad - it is saying that maybe voters should make their voice clear to lawmakers and parties to get stuff changed. Regulation can only be as good or bad as the voters allow it to be.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Based on the encyclopedic knowledge LLMs have of written works I assume all parties did the same. But I think there is a broader point to make here. Youtube was initially a ghost town (it started as a dating site) and it only got traction once people started uploading copyrighted TV shows to it. Google itself got big by indexing other people's data without compensation. Spotify's music library was also pirated in the…

Yes. And the problem here isn't that companies get away with doing things like this, the problem is that individuals don't. Attempting to lock information behind a nightmarish legal system is the problem. I'm pretty much at the point now where I don't buy the "copyright incentivizes creation" argument any more. Copyright, like advertising, incentivizes creation by enormous corporations, but also like advertising it i…

Individuals do get away with it all of the time.

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I wasn't aware. Can you please update Wikipedia then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robots.txt Maybe also get Google to update their docs: https://developers.google.com/search/docs/crawling-indexing/...

their own docs also specify that the robots.txt does not stop indexing or showing up in search, they even bolded it "it is not a mechanism for keeping a web page out of Google" https://developers.google.com/search/docs/crawling-indexing/...

From the docs:

“While Google won't crawl or index the content blocked by a robots.txt file”

They will show the URL if someone else has linked to it. But the content itself is not indexed.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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>The purpose of having an executive branch of government is explicitly to apply the law based on subjective opinions. What? No, the purpose of having a separate executive is separation of powers and checks and balances.

You haven't explained why there is an executive branch in the first place. Why does the executive branch exist at all if it's simply to enforce written law? Why do we elect the executive at all if they are merely to enforce written law? Why do executives have the power to pardon someone when a court of law finds a person guilty of breaking law?

The executive exists to enforce the law the legislature writes primarily to make sure the legislature isn't in charge of enforcing the laws. It's a check on the power of the legislature.

You could still have discretion with the legislature in charge of executing on their own laws. I think countries exist like that, but I don't know enough to say which.

A separate executive is not necessary to have discretion or pardons or flexibility in law. A separate executive is necessary if you want physically different human beings controlling the organizations who enforce the law (DOJ, FBI, etc)

Consider that Judges and the judicial branch of the government ALSO gets to use subjectivity and their own opinion in adjudicating cases. Another check.

The entire point of the Constitution was to put the power of a King in a bunch of different hands, and then tie some of those hands with specific constraints, and then give a couple different options on how to change those constraints over time. Leeway and discretion goes both ways, so Congress does have the ability to further constrain such discretion. A previous president tried to argue he could choose to not spend money congress told him to spend, so they wrote up a bill saying very clearly, Uh, no, if we say spend, you spend. They have that power as a check on the power of the executive. All three branches are ostensibly MEANT to be vying for power. It's an antagonistic system, like the court system. The founders loved that shit. In reality, it probably is a dysfunctional system that modern systems engineers would not like, and other countries get that "system fights and moderates itself" effect by encouraging coalitions between parties in a strong parliament. IMO those have demonstrated better stability. I'm not convinced the US would have survived getting it's whole shit blown up like the UK did.

Checks. And. Balances. 5th grade civics class.

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