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Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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Post by wonderwonder »

bluebarbet wrote: post #695
user3939382 wrote: post #672

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> Get subscription of high value newspaper or magazine. Professionals work there, so you will get real facts, worthy opinions and less emotions. All printed papers in the US that I’m aware of serve corporate political interests so I lost you there. Then you have magazines that are aligned with various think tanks and lobbyists. The truth isn’t somewhere in the middle of all this, it’s with totally independent journal…

This take seems to me to be a classic case of the US tendency to irrational suspicion as first described in the Hofstadter essay The Paranoid Style in American Politics. I'm not American but I do subscribe to The Atlantic, which seems to be owned by some kind of philanthropic trust with a do-gooding billionaire at the helm. As a European, that's plenty good enough for me. Financial incentives are important but they'r…

Atlantic is owned by Steve Job's ex wife, Laurene Powell Jobs. She is openly anti-trump.

Not saying its not a good paper, just saying you are not going to get neutral news from them.

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Post by clydethefrog »

user3939382 wrote: post #672
majgr wrote: post #570

Living in Poland ruled by trumpists for 8 years I have these experiences: - Get subscription of high value newspaper or magazine. Professionals work there, so you will get real facts, worthy opinions and less emotions. - It is better to not use social media. You never know if you are discussing with normal person, a political party troll, or Russian troll. - It is not worth discussing with „switched-on” people. They…

> Get subscription of high value newspaper or magazine. Professionals work there, so you will get real facts, worthy opinions and less emotions. All printed papers in the US that I’m aware of serve corporate political interests so I lost you there. Then you have magazines that are aligned with various think tanks and lobbyists. The truth isn’t somewhere in the middle of all this, it’s with totally independent journal…

Then you are not aware of all printed papers. As someone outside the USA, my local university library already stocks two - Harper's Magazine and The New York Review of Books (not related to the NYT book section at all). They both have an independent editorial board and decades of dedication to journalism.

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Post by floydnoel »

yakhinvadim wrote: post #256
starik36 wrote: post #191

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That's a pretty cool website! What prompt do you use to determine what is and isn't significant?

Can't share the full prompt, but I share methodology on the about page: https://www.newsminimalist.com/about

why can't you?

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Post by trimethylpurine »

jquery wrote: post #513
trimethylpurine wrote: post #396

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> meticulously fact-based Interesting... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_New_York_Times_con... I'm not picking on them specifically. If you'd said this about any news outlet, I wouldn't believe you.

If that's your standard, nobody is meticulously fact based. I stand by my statement, I didn't say they were perfect.

Exactly. No shortage of people leaving the industry because fact based isn't even the goal. Editors push for outrage. That's the point.

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Post by foldr »

Dalewyn wrote: post #669
foldr wrote: post #641

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It’s not a Reddit thing. I also remember the days when everyone online was a libertarian. But Conservatives then turned to nationalist ideologies that don’t emphasize the free market, that are anti-immigration, and that take a dim view of personal sexual freedom. There are fewer people expressing libertarian points of view all over the shop. There’s a good article about it here: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/202…

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Nope. I’ve just been around long enough to observe the overall shifts in political discourse that have occurred since the early 2000s.

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Post by tuukkah »

wonderwonder wrote: post #710
tuukkah wrote: post #681

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It doesn't have to be printed in the US. The Guardian is backed by a non-profit and there's a US (digital) edition plus a printed weekly international edition.

The guardian openly states on their website that they are anti-trump. So going to posit they may be less that neutral. From the banner on their home page: "From Elon Musk to the Murdochs, billionaire owners control much of the information that reaches the public. Meanwhile, increasing numbers of bad actors are spreading disinformation that threatens democracy" also "After Trump remarked that “in this term, everybody…

If you read carefully, that's not anti-Trump, that's nuanced. A newspaper isn't supposed to be friends with politicians - it's supposed to report on them critically and truthfully.

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Post by cm2187 »

tuukkah wrote: post #681
user3939382 wrote: post #672

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> Get subscription of high value newspaper or magazine. Professionals work there, so you will get real facts, worthy opinions and less emotions. All printed papers in the US that I’m aware of serve corporate political interests so I lost you there. Then you have magazines that are aligned with various think tanks and lobbyists. The truth isn’t somewhere in the middle of all this, it’s with totally independent journal…

It doesn't have to be printed in the US. The Guardian is backed by a non-profit and there's a US (digital) edition plus a printed weekly international edition.

The Guardian is the worst example you could come up with, it is openly politically militant and its opinion pages headlines are hysterical.

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Post by tuukkah »

wonderwonder wrote: post #711
bluebarbet wrote: post #695

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This take seems to me to be a classic case of the US tendency to irrational suspicion as first described in the Hofstadter essay The Paranoid Style in American Politics. I'm not American but I do subscribe to The Atlantic, which seems to be owned by some kind of philanthropic trust with a do-gooding billionaire at the helm. As a European, that's plenty good enough for me. Financial incentives are important but they'r…

Atlantic is owned by Steve Job's ex wife, Laurene Powell Jobs. She is openly anti-trump. Not saying its not a good paper, just saying you are not going to get neutral news from them.

An owner of a newspaper doesn't have to destroy the journalistic independence of the newspaper's editors.

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Post by pjc50 »

wonderwonder wrote: post #707
majgr wrote: post #570

Living in Poland ruled by trumpists for 8 years I have these experiences: - Get subscription of high value newspaper or magazine. Professionals work there, so you will get real facts, worthy opinions and less emotions. - It is better to not use social media. You never know if you are discussing with normal person, a political party troll, or Russian troll. - It is not worth discussing with „switched-on” people. They…

"It is not worth discussing with „switched-on” people. They are getting high doses of emotional content, they are made to feel like victims, facts does not matter at all. Political beliefs are intermingled with religious beliefs." This is fascinating to watch in the current environment. People are decent in real life for the most part but on social media its as if all manner of restraint are removed. Post anything di…

> Social media has truly insidious powers and I don't think people realize they are under its spell until its too late.

Which is why there's now the disastrous government-by-meme plan directed at fighting the people a social media site's owner spends his time fighting with on social media. Plus a few crank theories of his own.

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Post by koolba »

majgr wrote: post #570

Living in Poland ruled by trumpists for 8 years I have these experiences: - Get subscription of high value newspaper or magazine. Professionals work there, so you will get real facts, worthy opinions and less emotions. - It is better to not use social media. You never know if you are discussing with normal person, a political party troll, or Russian troll. - It is not worth discussing with „switched-on” people. They…

> in the end, there are more reasonable people, but democracies needs to develop better constitutional/law systems, with very short feedback loop. It is very important to have fast reaction on breaking the law by ruling regime.

What’s wrong with the separation of powers in the USA? There’s plenty of situations where judges issue injunctions that are in effect until the case is resolved.

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