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I automated my job application process

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Post by chgs »

floating-io wrote: post #251
salomon812 wrote: post #231

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Okay, so the original argument is about whether or not it's worth it to fly people out for an on-site. Hotel and airfare: $2000 absolute max. Salary at $100/hr for one month for me to figure out it's not going to work out, then pull the trigger to fire: $24,000. I mean, being a manager is hard, but putting in the time and money to hire and then putting in the time to make sure your team doesn't have a morale drag, it…

The catch is that even in-person interviews are no panacea. I agree that it's worth the time to filter -- I wasn't really responding to that bit -- but from what I've seen, you have to be a very good interviewer not to get a bad hire every so often. I often wonder how many hiring managers are actually good interviewers, in-person or not, but I digress... Seeing the truly bad hires dragged along to the detriment of th…

In person interview, or even coffee, filters out those who don’t actually exist and those who are reading answers from a screen (chatgpt/person)

Seems to be 90% of the problem reported on this post

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Post by brookst »

geye1234 wrote: post #649
redmajor12 wrote: post #629

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But this chaos fits Big Tech's claim that there are not enough American workers, so they can then turn around and onshore H1Bs from the hiring manager's hometown back in the old country.

Hundreds of comments, and this is the first one that mentions perhaps the primary root cause of the situation.

Do you work in tech? Have you ever seen any pressure to create LLM-driven chaos with the goal of increasing support for encouraging immigration in future years?

It’s too elaborate of a Rube Goldberg strategy to take very seriously. Companies struggle to achieve simple, clear, short-term goals in tight-knit, well-aligned teams. Ain’t nobody got the skill to pull off that level of conspiracy.

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Post by tugu77 »

davidclark wrote: post #690
tugu77 wrote: post #664

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> At this point every remote internet checklist has to include checks for humanity, I genuinely don't understand this requirement. Isn't an interview exactly that? It's a conversation pretending to be about a technical problem/question/challenge but in reality its purpose is to find out whether you click with the person and would want to work with them. If some ChatGPT text can trick you then your process is broken a…

> If some ChatGPT text can trick you then your process is broken anyway This is pretty unfair and seems like victim-blaming when we have companies spending billions of dollars to create these programs with the specific intent of trying to pass the Turing test.

An interviewer is a "victim"? Maybe they should just, you know, speak to their interviewees. At least in 2024 that's hardly faked by an LLM. Therefore, if you are fooled, you cheaped out, and you are hardly a victim.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by tugu77 »

brookst wrote: post #710
davidclark wrote: post #690

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> If some ChatGPT text can trick you then your process is broken anyway This is pretty unfair and seems like victim-blaming when we have companies spending billions of dollars to create these programs with the specific intent of trying to pass the Turing test.

There’s a bit of an echo chamber on HN where people convince each other that all LLM-generated text is easy to identify, riddled with errors, and “obviously” inferior to all real-human writing. Because some LLM writing fits those criteria and is easily identified, these folks are convinced they can identify all LLM writing and anyone who can’t must be a dunce.

I didn't claim anything about identifying writing. That's a strawman. I'm talking about humans talking to each other. Even if it's in a zoom call. Any interview process that doesn't include that is broken, and that's my claim. Echo chamber or not.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by davidclark »

tugu77 wrote: post #713
davidclark wrote: post #690

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> If some ChatGPT text can trick you then your process is broken anyway This is pretty unfair and seems like victim-blaming when we have companies spending billions of dollars to create these programs with the specific intent of trying to pass the Turing test.

An interviewer is a "victim"? Maybe they should just, you know, speak to their interviewees. At least in 2024 that's hardly faked by an LLM. Therefore, if you are fooled, you cheaped out, and you are hardly a victim.

Someone being deceived is a victim, yes.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by hb_lifer »

codelikeawolf wrote: post #682

> The secret to good cover letters? Context. I know a lot has changed since I had to look for a job (a little over 4 years ago), but I disagree. The cover letter is the only opportunity to show some of your personality, not that you read the posting and tweaked your template to include details about the specific job you're applying for. I have found that a good cover letter can be a game-changer. I landed my first de…

I saw the prompt snippet and thought the same as you. Honestly, giving it samples of your prior cover letters you’ve written yourself would be a vastly more personal touch emulating your writing style and personality.

Anyhow, problems with the spray and pray aside, applicants should match the effort the hiring managers puts in. Which is automating the first few passes, and last mile is human read. As in, proofread your own generated cover letters.

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Post by clippy99 »

teeray wrote: post #57

It’s astounding that we, as an industry, are so averse to licensing developers. It solves the resume spam problem and the repetitive LeetCode round(s) that every company now wants. We also don’t have to settle for the licensing process other industries have—ours can be more inclusive of alternative development backgrounds, while still providing a meaningful quality filter.

What about honoring our multi-year college degrees. Isn't that licensing enough?

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Post by ddalex »

dgfitz wrote: post #645
Aurornis wrote: post #515

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> If I didn't know better I'd think this was satire. It’s actually a constant them on HN to imagine that passing laws will magically make problems disappear. The realities of enforcing the law or even identifying perpetrators are imagined to be the easy part.

People seem to want to pass laws that treat the symptoms, not the cause. “You keep getting the stomach bug. Here take this, it’ll calm your stomach. No no, you can keep eating that expired cheese, it’s all good”

> you can keep eating that expired cheese

Why are you anti French ?

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by ddalex »

Aurornis wrote: post #514
celdon25 wrote: post #386

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Anyone affected by this and in the US might consider calling or writing to their congressman. The time to do that is now when the demand is high to bolster jobs but low for excessive laws. Nobody innocent is going to be wronged if this is made into a crime or otherwise regulated to put a stop to. The fake job applicants are only siphoning resources from the economy at the high expense of all other parties involved. T…

> Nobody innocent is going to be wronged if this is made into a crime or otherwise regulated to put a stop to. Good luck. The applicants doing fake job applications do not care about your laws at all. Many might be in foreign countries. They might plan on applying with stolen identities. Making a law isn’t going to change a thing. Even if you did, what company is going to spend resources tracking down the likely fake…

> applicants doing fake job applications … stolen identities

What I don’t get is what’s the economic incentive for this behaviour

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