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Post by miked85 »

dpkirchner wrote: post #704
shermantanktop wrote: post #698

Every time a big company screws up, there are two highly informed sets of people who are guaranteed to be lurking, but rarely post, in a thread like this: 1) those directly involved with the incident, or employees of the same company. They have too much to lose by circumventing the PR machine. 2) people at similar companies who operate similar systems with similar scale and risks. Those people know how hard this is a…

Right? A common complaint by outsiders is that Netflix uses microservices. I'd love to hear exactly how a monolith application is guaranteed to perform better, with details . What is the magic difference that would have ensured the live stream would have been successful?

It's not guaranteed, but much fewer points of failure.

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Post by whstl »

JamesBarney wrote: post #320
Lammy wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope to never have a manager who is mentally stack ranking me and my coworkers in terms of perceived dumbness instead of in terms of any positive trait.

Almost everyone I know manager or not is usually ranking everyone they work with on various attributes. In fact it would be incredibly weird to ask a close friend who at their work kicks ass and who sucks and have them respond back, "I've never really thought about how good any of my coworkers were at their jobs"

I am a manager and I don't mentally stack rank my reports.

That's not out of respect or anything, but because they're all good. I hired and mentored them, and they all passed probation.

Sure there are junior devs who are just starting, but they're getting paid less, so they're pulling their weight proportionately. They're not worse.

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Post by leptons »

dpkirchner wrote: post #704
shermantanktop wrote: post #698

Every time a big company screws up, there are two highly informed sets of people who are guaranteed to be lurking, but rarely post, in a thread like this: 1) those directly involved with the incident, or employees of the same company. They have too much to lose by circumventing the PR machine. 2) people at similar companies who operate similar systems with similar scale and risks. Those people know how hard this is a…

Right? A common complaint by outsiders is that Netflix uses microservices. I'd love to hear exactly how a monolith application is guaranteed to perform better, with details . What is the magic difference that would have ensured the live stream would have been successful?

I doubt a "microservice" has anything to do with delivering the video frames. There are specific kinds of infrastructure tech that are specifically designed to serve live video to large amounts of clients. If they are in fact using a "microservice" to deliver video frames, then I'd ask them to have their heads examined. Microservices are typically used to do mundane short-lived tasks, not deliver video.

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Post by swyx »

karaterobot wrote: post #706
shermantanktop wrote: post #698

Every time a big company screws up, there are two highly informed sets of people who are guaranteed to be lurking, but rarely post, in a thread like this: 1) those directly involved with the incident, or employees of the same company. They have too much to lose by circumventing the PR machine. 2) people at similar companies who operate similar systems with similar scale and risks. Those people know how hard this is a…

The only time I worked on a project that had a live television launch, it absolutely tipped over within like 2 minutes, and people on HN and Reddit were making fun of it. And I know how hard everyone worked, and how competent they were, so I sympathize with the people in these cases. While the internet was teeing off with easy jokes, engineers were swarming on a problem that was just not resolving, PMs were pacing up…

what was the ultimate cause/fix of issues in your case? a database thing?

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Post by db48x »

It probably depends more on the ISP than on Netflix. Engineers over in my ISP’s subreddit are talking about how flows from Netflix jumped by over 450Gb/s and it was no big deal because it wasn’t enough to cause any congestion on any of their backbone links.

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Post by dylan604 »

xyst wrote: post #587
dylan604 wrote: post #426

People just do not appreciate how many gotchas can pop up doing anything live. Sure, Netflix might have a great CDN that works great for their canned content and I could see how they might have assumed that's the hardest part. Live has changed over the years from large satellite dishes beaming to a geosat and back down to the broadcast center($$$$$), to microwave to a more local broadcast center($$$$), to running ded…

You are making excuses for a multibillion dollar company that has been in this game for many years. Maybe the first to market in streaming. This isn’t NFLX’s first rodeo in live streaming. Have seen a handful of events pop up in their apps. There is no excuse. All of the resources and talent at their disposal, and they looked absolutely amateurish. Poor optics. I would be amazed if they are able to secure another exc…

Um, aksually…

I was pointing out how dumb a multibillion dollar company is for getting this so wrong. Broadcasting live events is something that is underestimated by everyone that has never it, yet hubris of a major tech company thinking it knows better is biting them in the ass.

As many other people have commented, so many other very large dwarfing this event have been pulled off with no hiccups visible to the viewers. I have amazing stories of major hiccups during MLB World Series that viewers had no idea about happening, but “inside baseball” people knew. To the point that the head of the network caught something during the broadcast calling the director in the truck saying someone is either going to be fired or get a raise yet the audience would never have noticed if the person ended up getting fired. They didn’t, btw.

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Post by [deleted] »

oarsinsync wrote: post #680
Xenoamorphous wrote: post #620

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Writing APPL instead of Apple doesn’t get you any fewer keystrokes.

Technically it’s one fewer keystroke (and it’s AAPL). It’s a lot fewer keystrokes for MS (Morgan Stanley), GS (Goldman Sachs) and MSFT (Microsoft) than it is for AAPL, but it’s a force of habit for some. Once you’re used to referring to firms by their ticker symbols, you do it all the time. E.g. an ex trader friend still says “spot” instead of “point” when referring to decimal points, even if talking in other context…

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Post by cabinguy »

SoftTalker wrote: post #696
dilyevsky wrote: post #543

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Majority of superbowl viewers watch it on cable. Streaming gets fewer than 10M concurrents

Do people even have cable TV anymore? I have internet from my "cable" company but I don't have the "cable" connected to anything but the modem. Everything I watch is streamed. The only thing connected to my TV is a Roku.

I assume you know the answer to your questions is: of course they do. However, I’m in the same boat as you. The joke’s on us, I guess.

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Post by dylan604 »

School-Cotton wrote: post #659
Xenoamorphous wrote: post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry for the off topic but what’s this thing that I only come across in Hacker News about referring to a company by their stock exchange name (APPL, MSFT, etc) outside of a stock context? It seems really weird to me.

In-group signaling for people who like playing or thinking about the stock market. Similar to how people who make travel a big part of their identity refer to cities by their airport code.

Or maybe they are pilots?
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