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Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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People enjoy having a purpose and a mission in life. Leading a team of people that you put together, in order to improve a project you started, and knowing that doing so will improve both your lives and theirs, is incredibly fulfilling. Even if the day-to-day is full of hardships. In fact, working to overcome hardship is one of the primary source of meaning in life. Kids are another example. They're expensive, they'r…

Dreaming of winning the lottery and Going On Permanent Yacht Vacation is precisely the difference between being a worn out low-level worker and being a high-level executive who has all their needs met (or at least has the resources to have them met). With the latter you can have enough resources for you next ten generations and still go to work and optimize shareholder profits while thinking to yourself that you are…

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Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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Stock/cash is not fungible for the company itself. Using shareholders as an ATM is a surefire way to tank a stock, and companies tend to use it as an absolute last resort.

We aren’t talking in the context of the company though. The gp comment said it’s not an apples to apples comparison to say a CEO makes 100x an employee because CEO’s compensation is stock. If the CEO’s stock compensation has a monetary value of $100 and the employees salary is $1, it absolutely is fair to say the CEO is compensated 100x the employee, regardless of it is stock or cash. The CEO can borrow against this…

It's not apples to apples because it is in essence two different employers. The CEO does not work for the company (this why you see that $1 CEO salary so often), the CEO works for the shareholders. But the employees work for the company. They are two distinct entities with two distinct finances.

If a company does layoffs and the CEO still gets paid, that is perfectly logical because the company was never paying the CEO in the first place. Whether or not the CEO got his $5 million compensation package has no impact on whether or not the company could have laid people off, as just about everyone portrays it (and thinks how it is).

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Let's keep trying. What learning opportunities do you see in the details here?

Just off the top of my head: every engineer should have 6+ months of savings. Market isn't great but our salaries can help build those savings easy. If I had more time, I would love to understand the fss market better and also what impact ai is having there. I don't see a Q3 earnings report from Dropbox, but as others have pointed out in other comments, Dropbox seems to have been doing fine financially.

> Dropbox seems to have been doing fine financially

Not really.

The issue is Dropbox's core product is heavily commodified (Cloud File Store for Enterprise and Consumers).

Dropbox's EBIDTA is much lower than peers in the Software industry making it a much less attractive investment - even public companies need to attract investment.

Furthermore, Dropbox has missed out on multiple trends that it had the right ingredients to execute on, such as DLP, DSPM, AI Search, AI-leveraged Business Tooling, etc.

It's not that Dropbox didn't try building these teams - they did and I know plenty of people who were hired to work or lead these initiatives - but tech is competitive and they got outcompeted.

At some point they have to initiate layoffs in order to retool internally and concentrate on the BUs that actually generate outsized revenue along with strategic bets that can help make Dropbox more enticing.

> every engineer should have 6+ months of savings. Market isn't great but our salaries can help build those savings easy

Pretty much. Layoffs have always a thing in the tech industry.

And compared to previous cycles (early 2000s, 2008-2013), the current job market is fairly standard for mid-career.

I think this tech downturn is just the first one that a lot of 2011-22 grads went through and it makes them feel like it's the end of the world.

Keep saving, keep upskilling, and keep networking - these are what save you when we all (inevitably) get laid off.

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In the US, the minimum required is usually zero. The most I ever got was 4 weeks.

The minimum needed in the US for this situation is 60 calendar days [1]. Hence the 16 weeks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_Adjustment_and_Retraini...

The WARN Act doesn't mandate severance payments AFAIK.

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The uncomfortable truth is that pretty much any business can cut staff by 20% without impacting overall performance. Provided that you manage to weed out the tail end of the performance bell curve that is. Most of the time, reducing staff is a healthy move for the business and the impacted employees. The company will not only save cost, but strengthen its culture of high performance. And under-achieving employees are…

Keep in mind that knowledge work isn't really a bell curve, it's more of a power law. https://www.hermanaguinis.com/pdf/PPsych2012.pdf

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A manager doesn't care that you leave because he still gets to bring home a salary, all they have to do is hire another person and maybe cut back on scope for a little while. Yeah, I'm curious how someone can have an opinions on workplaces and workers and not seem to have personal experience with the subject, especially in a community like this. Do they just come from a wealthy family so the stance is "Getting fired…

It seems the original commenter has never really been a "line-worker". But I could be very wrong too, but then I'd be curious how those opinions were formed.

Nope, you're correct: he runs a startup and apparently has been running startups since his early 20s.

> Please tell us briefly about your background.

> I grew up in the Netherlands, and I was interested in technology from a young age. I started a gaming website when I was 13. Later, I attended Erasmus University Rotterdam before founding Fashiolista, my first startup and an early social network similar to Pinterest. It grew to millions of users...

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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Remember how there used to be a blog (or maybe it was a Tumblr, I forget) that documented every "Our incredible journey" post that inevitably announced the start-up's closure? I think we need another one for "An update from ", as this has seemingly become the standard subject to use when you're announcing layoffs or data breaches. I saw an identical headline earlier today from Sony announcing a studio closure: https:…

I always think it's a bit weird how people put so much effort and angst into (over)analyzing the language that execs use in layoff announcements in the first place. It's a layoff. Yeah, it sucks, and no matter what the CEO says people will be pissed. Better to just take the same good advice as when starting a new relationship: "Just ignore everything they say, and only consider what they do ." I.e. is the severance p…

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Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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It's 60 days, not 50. But 60 days of severance would be significantly less than what they are offering. They're definitely not doing it strictly to avoid regulatory scrutiny, more like to avoid bad press and a bad reputation in the tech market. When things eventually swing back up, companies still want to be able to hire the best talent, they don't want to be grouped with companies like Twitter.

What is wrong with Twitter?

They did not pay severance when they laid people off.

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Avoid lifestyle creep! I have to say I'm bad at this myself: somehow it all adds up, while each individual expense doesn't look so bad.

Exactly, I feel a lot of my coworkers fell under this trap: if you need cashflow for mortgage on your 4m mansion in (affluent neighborhood), you can't really afford it.

Every house requires cash flow, regardless of mortgage amount. There's something to be said for overspending on a house for sure - but let's not forget mortgage(if any), maintenance, property tax, utilities, insurance, etc. Last year I spent more on maintenance than my mortgage cost.

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Layoffs happen even in well run companies.

Actually they don't. Well run companies have cash reserves and expect to have periods of ups and downs. They don't pray to the alter of the next quarterly report.

> Actually they don't

then they probably should

not saying I should go work for McKinsey, just noticing that unnecessary payments are likely happening. companies don't exist to employ people. employees exist to help companies. just make everyone a decent shareholder with decent liquidity and move on when the employee isn't necessary.

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