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Post by hcarvalhoalves »

matrix2003 wrote: post #580
jjtheblunt wrote: post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple is only "green" in their presentations - in reality they care more about inifite sales only. needs citation. I say this as someone who worked several years in engineering at Apple, and they were extremely environmentally conscientious years before it was a thing.

I send all my old stuff for recycling now and get a gift card in return. They just did this for my ancient iPad that won’t even run the latest iPadOS. I go on a site, pop in the serial number, and they ship me a box for free with a return label. I basically got $45 for an incredibly slow brick, so I’d say that’s pretty good incentive for their recycling program. Sure, you could install Linux and upcycle it, but how m…

Can you share the instructions on how to do that?

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Post by prettyStandard »

jerich wrote: post #707
SurgeArrest wrote: post #530

Reading this on 2017 iMac 27" - is the first 5k iMac that couldn't be used as a monitor after the computer inside is irrelevant. I hope EU will push for some law that requires all AIO computers to work in monitor-only mode if internal hardware is no longer good enough or no longer supported by software updates. I love the 5k screen on this iMac but the CPU is too old for photo or video editing as software got so much…

Apple should hire a couple hackers to create “end-of-life” firmware for their obsolete devices; give them new life as super-specialized devices. Part green program, part customer delight, even some wacky art projects. Maybe if an iMac doesn’t have a video input—have it boot as an AirPlay-only monitor. I’ve got 2 old EOL appleTV boxes sitting in a drawer—again, one last firmware update to make them dedicated AirPlay r…

That would be amazing.

This reminds me of the offline email client HP built on EFI.

Cathode Ray Dude - https://youtu.be/ssob-7sGVWs?si=qjyf5lm_9PrzPPeE

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by brundolf »

I've not sure I've ever had so much product lust for something I had so little use for as the Apple Silicon iMacs. Gorgeous objects, but I've already got a MacBook Pro and a bigger monitor

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by buildbot »

dllu wrote: post #474
jjcm wrote: post #448

Since this thread seems to be about niche asks for pro users, despite the product being targeted towards casual users who want an easy out of the box experience, I'll add my own to the mix. I'd love a bigger/better screen on these, specifically an ultrawide variety. An iMac Pro with an 8k ultrawide would be a near-instant purchase for me. I find the ultrawide form factor so good for productivity. I love the apple "it…

Using a large 8K display for productivity is underrated. I wrote a blog post about my experience: https://daniel.lawrence.lu/blog/y2023m12d15/

I use my Q900R the same, it’s awesome. It’s so flexible:

For couch gaming, 4k, 120Hz, VVR, 10bit and like, 1500 nit HDR. The downside is pretty clear blooming though.

8K 60Hz for sitting close and using for photo editing & programming.

It does get hot though.

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Post by Wytwwww »

bee_rider wrote: post #165
DeathArrow wrote: post #116

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> 16GB base RAM, they finally did it. I've paid €200 for 128GB RAM in my PC. How much does Apple charge for 128GB of memory?

Isn’t Apple’s RAM inside CPU package? I think it might not be possible to put together a system (at least with consumer parts) that matches their memory bandwidth. On the other hand, they are limited in capacity. It is a trade off, it is silly to pretend they are just limiting memory capacity out of the vileness of their hearts or something.

> capacity out of the vileness of their hearts or something.

No, it's obviously because they can upcharge on upgrades? That's just market segmentation. I doubt it can have much to do with technical limitations or actual costs (the the difference the wholesale price between 8GB and 16GB is relatively marginal).

> I think it might not be possible to put together a system

No, but you can get a Lunar Lake laptop with comparable bandwidth. Dell is also "only" half as "greedy" as Apple or MS, e.g. 16 GB -> 32 GB is only $200 instead of $400.

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Post by tomcam »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #570
SurgeArrest wrote: post #530

Reading this on 2017 iMac 27" - is the first 5k iMac that couldn't be used as a monitor after the computer inside is irrelevant. I hope EU will push for some law that requires all AIO computers to work in monitor-only mode if internal hardware is no longer good enough or no longer supported by software updates. I love the 5k screen on this iMac but the CPU is too old for photo or video editing as software got so much…

> Apple is only "green" in their presentations - in reality they care more about inifite sales only. needs citation. I say this as someone who worked several years in engineering at Apple, and they were extremely environmentally conscientious years before it was a thing.

With respect, then, why do you think iPhone or iPad batteries can’t be replaced by the average user after a decade and a half?

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Post by indymike »

rowanG077 wrote: post #706
conradev wrote: post #600

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It's not that they actively do bad things, it's that they only dedicate real resources in the direction of self-interest. Tim Cook likes to point to their solar investments and accessibility as examples of "doing good" when in reality the former is a good long term financial bet and the latter is generally under-resourced (or "cheap" to them). They'd use M.2 SSDs in their Macs instead of soldering flash chips to the…

I think it's extremely overestimated by the technical crowd how many people would ever upgrade their RAM or SSD in their Macbook. I honestly doubt it's even in the single digit percentage points. The energy, engineering and material wasted on having connectors probably vastly outweighs the environmental savings by having that one tech person upgrade their RAM or SSD,

The article is about the desktop iMac model. Regardless, I think many would upgrade because ssds are cheap... RAM would lead to customers getting another year or two out of their computer...

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Post by dijit »

prettyStandard wrote: post #712
jerich wrote: post #707

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple should hire a couple hackers to create “end-of-life” firmware for their obsolete devices; give them new life as super-specialized devices. Part green program, part customer delight, even some wacky art projects. Maybe if an iMac doesn’t have a video input—have it boot as an AirPlay-only monitor. I’ve got 2 old EOL appleTV boxes sitting in a drawer—again, one last firmware update to make them dedicated AirPlay r…

That would be amazing. This reminds me of the offline email client HP built on EFI. Cathode Ray Dude - https://youtu.be/ssob-7sGVWs?si=qjyf5lm_9PrzPPeE

Oh god, I have one of those laptops on my shelf. Such a wild feature.

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Post by jujube3 »

baron816 wrote: post #48
minimaxir wrote: post #3

16GB base RAM, they finally did it. They also did move the Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse to USB-C.

Now if only they could figure out how to allow charging the Magic Mouse while it’s being used. I guess that technology is still years away.

What if (and just hear me out here), the mouse was attached to a cord? This would have several benefits. No need to charge or have a battery. The mouse would stay near the computer and not get lost.

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Post by Wytwwww »

wtallis wrote: post #133
DeathArrow wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 16GB base RAM, they finally did it. I've paid €200 for 128GB RAM in my PC. How much does Apple charge for 128GB of memory?

€200 for 128GB as an aftermarket upgrade, or €200 upcharge for 128GB from a system OEM?

> €200 for 128GB as an aftermarket upgrade

I'd love that, seems like a fantastic deal. I assume it's DDR4, though? Which makes it an even more apples to oranges comparison.

However if we're being fair Dell seems to be charging about 50% less (and Lenovo 75% at least for some models) for soldered LPDDR5X upgrades than Apple and Lunar Lake seems to have comparable bandwidth

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