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Post by lz400 »

itslennysfault wrote: post #479
jetrink wrote: post #450

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A friend who lives in North Carolina sent me a video of the raging floodwaters in his state- at least that's what the superimposed text claimed it was. When I looked closer, it was clearly an Indian city filled with Indian people and Indian cars. He hadn't noticed anything except the flood water. It reminded me of that famous selective attention test video[1]. I won't ruin it for those who haven't seen it, but it's a…

hmmm... Maybe it's because I knew it was testing me, but I noticed it right away and counted the right count. I could see it being pretty shocking if I hadn't, but I honestly can't imagine how I'd miss that.

I was focused on counting. I counted very wrong, but caught the gorilla right away.

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Post by mrkpdl »

bko wrote: post #710
latexr wrote: post #703

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> And if they use AI and you can't tell the difference, does it really matter? It does, yes. To use your own analogy, if one pays for an artisanal product and is served something out of a production line in a factory, that is fraud. > It's never explained You’re not paying attention, it is often explained. One huge reason is that it devalues the work of artists who are already struggling to make any money by using th…

Did washing machine devalue the work of people washing by hand? Did cameras devalue the work of portrait artists? ATMs to bank tellers? Tractor to farmer? Car to horses? Again, it's technology. I guess I shouldn't have said I never heard an argument. I just never heard a good one that can't be applied to pretty much any other technology that came before.

These are false equivalences, or whataboutisms. The hand washers provided a very different ‘thing’. To that of artists. You mention things like getting clean clothes, getting from a to b in a car or on a horse, getting cash from an ATM instead from the teller at a bank branch. These are all completely different to the work of an artist or craftsperson that expresses something. So it’s very reasonable for people to seek insight/inspiration/catharsis/etc from things that they understand to be fully crafted by human minds and hands.

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Post by daemoens »

ynniv wrote: post #640
jsheard wrote: post #556

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For the entire duration of the Russia/Ukraine war "combat footage" that is actually from the video game ARMA 3 has gone viral fairly regularly, and now exactly the same thing is happening with Israel/Iran.

The willingness of people to believe that combatants are wearing cinematic body cams for no tactical reason can only be matched by their willingness to assume people meticulously record every minute of their lives just so they can post a once-in-a-lifetime event on TikTok. Who even needs AI generated videos when you can just act out absurdity and pretend it's real?

Thousands of combatants are wearing bodycams, and pretty regularly, there are videos released by Russians of a dead Ukrainian's last moments taken from their corpse and the same happens vice versa.

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Post by beezlebroxxxxxx »

makeitdouble wrote: post #702
famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

> reading books The harder part to me: "books" aren't great in average. There's an ocean of garbage books basically mass produced by ghost writers, solely targeted at milking a socially hot topic or grifting. There's an obesity epidemic ? Let's make 3000 new books repackaging classic diets under new catchy titles and see which sticks. AI is coming ? Let's throw money at anyone with a vaguely related blog and expand t…

> The harder part to me: "books" aren't great in average.

If all you're looking for is any book, then sure. But if you have specific interests in mind, or you actually take the time to get beyond an HBR listicle of the "5 best books for [x] topic", you can find so many good books. Too many too read in a lifetime. It's just insane how many great books there are given how many books there are already and are published every year. Even just subscribing to a pub like the NYRB or LRB and reading the reviews/essays has made my TBR list explode with interesting books. Then you have the smaller academic or niche presses that are publishing some great, serious, academic or weirdo fiction stuff, stuff that has no marketing whatsoever.

> At the end of the day what we get in long form is often a stretched version of what was fitting into 3 tweets before they tried to monetize it in a book deal.

Those books are very easy to spot. You can safely ignore 99% of Business, Productivity, Nutrition (add fitness), and pop-science, books, as you already noted. A lot of pre-internet books on those topics are fascinating, though, because they're usually written nothing at all like a blog post, and as examples that there has been very little world-changing written in those topics in the last 30-40 years.

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Post by shit_game »

bko wrote: post #710
latexr wrote: post #703

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> And if they use AI and you can't tell the difference, does it really matter? It does, yes. To use your own analogy, if one pays for an artisanal product and is served something out of a production line in a factory, that is fraud. > It's never explained You’re not paying attention, it is often explained. One huge reason is that it devalues the work of artists who are already struggling to make any money by using th…

Did washing machine devalue the work of people washing by hand? Did cameras devalue the work of portrait artists? ATMs to bank tellers? Tractor to farmer? Car to horses? Again, it's technology. I guess I shouldn't have said I never heard an argument. I just never heard a good one that can't be applied to pretty much any other technology that came before.

Things like washing machines and cars liberated people from labor and saved their time, which they couldn then use to persue other goals. For many, making art is their goal - generative AI isn't liberating people from the burden of making art, it's making art a non-viable endeavour for millions of people.

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Post by signatoremo »

mrkpdl wrote: post #712
bko wrote: post #710

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did washing machine devalue the work of people washing by hand? Did cameras devalue the work of portrait artists? ATMs to bank tellers? Tractor to farmer? Car to horses? Again, it's technology. I guess I shouldn't have said I never heard an argument. I just never heard a good one that can't be applied to pretty much any other technology that came before.

These are false equivalences, or whataboutisms. The hand washers provided a very different ‘thing’. To that of artists. You mention things like getting clean clothes, getting from a to b in a car or on a horse, getting cash from an ATM instead from the teller at a bank branch. These are all completely different to the work of an artist or craftsperson that expresses something. So it’s very reasonable for people to se…

Do photographers express less than painters? Paint and brush are technologies. They enhance paintings.

I expect there will be AI based art, not sure in which form, and people will still find joy in it.

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Post by petabyt »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #680
petabyt wrote: post #677

I'm sick of seeing this generative stuff. It's at least 50% of the content I see online these days. At this point it's so refreshing to see real photography and art, made by real humans. I hope we never lose that.

You’re not sick of it. Because 50 percent of the stuff you think isn’t generative actually is. You love a lot of this generative stuff you just hate idea of knowing it’s generated.

Sorry, but I've been doing photography for so many years I can easily tell the difference. I don't care if you don't believe me though. But yes, this is also about authenticity. There's a big difference between something that happened and something that didn't.

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Post by signatoremo »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #690
deisteve wrote: post #684

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coalition makes it sound like its in the millions all coordinating together like these guys : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

I am happy to declare that I am myself, a Luddite in many ways. No problem with that. I like lots of technology, not gonna lie. I'm a programmer and have a PhD in math, but I think it's gone too far in many respects. And if I have to build a coalition into millions, I'll do it one step at a time.

No problems with that. I don’t even call you luddite. I wouldn’t look down on you and call what I don’t like anti art.

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Post by TacticalCoder »

famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

Forums linked to real-world activities, with people posting real pictures, are doing fine. For example I'm on several car forums and life is all good there.

Bonus when there are "verified members" zones: for example on a car forum where another owner of a car of the same brand has to vet you in, certifying he saw you in real-life with a car from that brand.

> Curation seems like the next best step.

I don't disagree.

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Post by sleepybrett »

rolux wrote: post #653
sleepybrett wrote: post #527

It should be federal law that any video created with GenAI should be watermarked both stenographically and visually. (Same goes for images and audio.. not sure what can be done about ascii)

Stenography is writing in shorthand. What you mean is steganography. You can also watermark plain text by generating "invisible" patterns. Of course, in all these cases, the watermarks are trivial to remove: just re-encode the output with an open model. Which is why I hope there will be no federal law that tries to enforce something that is categorically unenforceable.

yes sorry, i think autocorrect got me when I wsn't looking.

If the feds catch you removing watermarks you go to prison. Problem solved.

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