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Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by sillyfluke »

meiraleal wrote: post #597
huhkerrf wrote: post #434

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I feel the same way. Anytime someone says they don't find LLMs all that useful, the exact same comments come out: "They clearly aren't using the right model!" "It's obvious they don't know how to prompt, or they would see the value." "Maybe it can't do that today, but GPT-5 is just around the corner." I feel more and more that people have just decided that this is a technology that will do everything you can imagine,…

It codes great for me, helps me deliver faster, better tested and more features. It literally saves time and money every day. If you can't do that, maybe, just maybe, you have a you problem. But there are many like you in this thread so you are not alone.

Can you state your domain and programming language for clarity?

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Post by randomdata »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #672
amelius wrote: post #657

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The 10x engineer will just start their own company.

A good programmer isn't necessarily also good at business to run his own company. Sure, you have your John Carmaks' or Antirezs' of the industry who are 10x programmers and also successful founders but those guys are 1 in a million. But your usual 10x engineer you'll meet is the guy who knows the ins and outs of all running systems at work giving him the ability to debug and solve issues 10x quicker than the rest, kn…

> But your usual 10x engineer you'll meet is the guy who knows the ins and outs of all running systems at work giving him the ability to debug and solve issues 10x quicker than the rest

You're talking about the 100x engineer now. The 10x engineer is the normal engineer you are probably accustomed to working with. When you encounter a 1x engineer, you will be shocked at how slow and unproductive they are.

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Post by consf »

futureshock wrote: post #554

This should really be retitled to “The AI investment bubble is losing hype.” LLMs as they exist today will slowly work their way into new products and use cases. They are an important new capability and one that will change how we do certain tasks. But as to the hype, we are in a brief pause before the election where no company wants to release anything that would hit the news cycle in a bad way and cause knee-jerk l…

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Post by consf »

dubcanada wrote: post #559
futureshock wrote: post #554

This should really be retitled to “The AI investment bubble is losing hype.” LLMs as they exist today will slowly work their way into new products and use cases. They are an important new capability and one that will change how we do certain tasks. But as to the hype, we are in a brief pause before the election where no company wants to release anything that would hit the news cycle in a bad way and cause knee-jerk l…

So you’re suggesting all innovation/new functionality releases are paused because US has elections coming up? I find that hard to believe.

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Post by consf »

aussieguy1234 wrote: post #469

If anything, i'm getting more hyped up over time. Here are the things i've used LLMs for, with success in all areas as a solo technical founder. Business Advice including marketing, reaching out to investors, understanding SAFE notes (follow up questions after watching the Y Combinator videos), customer interview design. All of which, as an engineer, I had never done before. Create SQL queries for all kinds of busine…

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Post by adastra22 »

pdimitar wrote: post #622
adastra22 wrote: post #613

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I’m not an “AI fan.” But anyway. Artificial. General. Intelligence. The term, as originally defined, is for programs which are man-made (Artificial), able to efficiently solve problems (Intelligence), including novel problem domains outside those considered in its creation (General). Artificial General Intelligence, or AGI. That’s literally all AGI means, and ChatGPT absolutely fits the bill. What you describe is ASI…

You are addressing the wrong person if you think I give two hoots how many more acronyms will the AI area invent to conceal the fact that the only thing they actually achieved is remove a lot of artists from the job market. I don't care how it's called. We don't have it. I am not "confused over terminology", I want to see results and yet again they don't exist. Let's focus on results. > In reality the whole notion of…

You are being unnecessarily aggressive. I won’t be continuing this debate.

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Post by [deleted] »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #698
kybernetyk wrote: post #697

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>A good programmer isn't necessarily also good at business to run his own company. AI can help with that.

We'd all be millionaires if AI could actually help with that, but then if everyone is a millionaire then nobody is. Current AI is still at the state of recommending people jump off the golden gate bridge if they feel sad or telling them to change their blinker fluid.

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Post by pdimitar »

adastra22 wrote: post #716
pdimitar wrote: post #622

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You are addressing the wrong person if you think I give two hoots how many more acronyms will the AI area invent to conceal the fact that the only thing they actually achieved is remove a lot of artists from the job market. I don't care how it's called. We don't have it. I am not "confused over terminology", I want to see results and yet again they don't exist. Let's focus on results. > In reality the whole notion of…

You are being unnecessarily aggressive. I won’t be continuing this debate.

That is likely true. We can't agree on basic premises so there's no point pursuing a discussion regardless of the tone.

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Post by 13of40 »

delusional wrote: post #551
13of40 wrote: post #524

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There was a movie that came out in 2001 called "Artificial Intelligence", at a time when we were still figuring out how things like search engines and the online economy were going to work. It had a scene where the main characters went to a city and visited a pay-per-question AI oracle. It was very artistically done, but it really revealed (in hindsight) how naive we were about how "online" was going to turn out. Whe…

> When I look at the kinds of AI projects I have visibility into, there's a parallel where the public are expecting a centralized, all knowing, general purpose AI I don't think this is entirely fair to "the public". Media was stuffed with AI company CEOs claiming that AGI was just around the corner. Nvidia, OpenAI and Musk, Zuckerberg, and others were positively starry eyed at how, soon, we'd all be just a GPU matmul…

> The entire system has been acting as if GenAI was right around the corner.

To be clear, I think it is. It's just not going to be a hologram of a wizard in a room you can ask a question to for a quarter, which is what these chat bots and copilots you see today are modeled around.

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Post by corytheboyd »

warkdarrior wrote: post #429
corytheboyd wrote: post #230

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I’ve seen copilot spit out garbage dozens of lines long for something I swore must be one or two stdlib functions. Yep, it was, after reading some real documentation and using my brain. It was some NodeJS stuff, which I never work with. Don’t get me wrong, I still find it a helpful tool, but it is not at all a good, seasoned programmer— it is an algorithm predicting the next token based on the current tokens.

> I still find it a helpful tool, but it is not at all a good, seasoned programmer How quickly the goalposts move! Two years ago it was "AI will never be able to write code", now we're complaining that "AI is not a seasoned programmer". What are we going to be complaining about, two years from now?

I’m not really complaining, I’m saying it’s useful, but don’t pretend it’s better than what it is. It’s cruise control on a car— makes long drives better, but doesn’t literally drive for you.
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