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Post by dfex »

sircastor wrote: post #695
ThinkBeat wrote: post #542

As usual I get quite hopeful when I hear about a new operating system. We so absolutely need paths to move away from what we have today. I didn't even know what "mixed reality operating system" was so that made me hopeful. May include some nifty quantum processing. Alas, it is just stuff built on top of Android, which is built on top of the Linux kernel. Perhaps "Meta Horizon SDK for Android" would be a better label?…

I was amused and interested when I found out that HaikuOS is not Linux, nor even the Linux Kernel, but a reimplementation of BeOS (concepts mostly) on the NewOS kernel. I've been dwelling in some nostalgia recently and miss some of the earlier days when everything wasn't so homogenous. This is all rose-colored glasses though, as I don't miss when everything was also extremely incompatible. And slow. And expensive.

> I've been dwelling in some nostalgia recently and miss some of the earlier days when everything wasn't so homogenous.

You are not alone in this. I see announcements like this one from Meta and others like Oxide - companies out there having a swing in a different direction and it makes me glad that there are people out there thinking outside the monoculture that computing feels like it's become sometimes.

Sure, standardisation has been good in some respects, but I feel like the incentive to really innovate (as opposed to incrementally improve) in the operating system and compute space has really dried up.

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Post by EVyesnoyesnoyes »

OJFord wrote: post #21
EVyesnoyesnoyes wrote: post #14

I would really love to see proper educational content from Meta but i bet this is not were the 'next money thing' is. Imagine a catalog of proper real life skills you can actually train reasonable good: - cooking - soldering - welding - Tons of woodworking things - ... You could also go to a lot of makers of tools and offer them to digitalize their products for them so someone can actually exercise with a cheap to su…

Where would that fit in between watching others do it on YouTube for entertainment, and doing it for real where you can hold (or eat) the result at the end?

Training critical steps before actually doing it.

If its good enough, you can train cutting a 1000 onions without cutting 1000 onions.

With complex machines, you can learn how to control them and than focus on actually using them instead of first learning were all the buttons are.

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Post by banish-m4 »

Android tried it and the results were closed-source fiefdoms and crappy hardware.

There's not a big enough market for this to sustain itself because VR is a flying car category that no one needs.

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Post by banish-m4 »

999900000999 wrote: post #4

This is awesome, I'm waiting for a VR manufacturer to add an HDMI input. Then I could use it as a monitor without jumping through a bunch of hoops.

LOL. The problem is the shitty software. SteamVR and Oculus apps are worthless and flaky, but when they work, there's zero need for any damn cables.

PS: I have a barely used Meta Quest Pro for sale. ;)

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Post by forgotmypwlol »

_akhe wrote: post #463
ImHereToVote wrote: post #443

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Making any multiplatform real-time 3D for Apple is such a pain. Even simply using Xcode is a nightmare.

Agree with you there! I don't particularly love Facebook and haven't even used it since 2009, but I can't deny how world-changing React has been for not only front-end (in terms of state management etc.) but also for building cross-platform native UIs on various platforms like TVs and mobile devices - and being able to do it with a (mostly) common codebase. I probably would have never built for iOS if I had to use Xc…

If you use Expo, you don’t even have to do that.

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Post by marcus_holmes »

klabb3 wrote: post #612
rainsil wrote: post #584

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What unexplored space do you think is ripe for a totally new operating system?

Ironically, general purpose computing. Like servers, smartphones, etc. The premise of Fuchsia, as a prominent example, is to build an OS that operates more like a sandboxed/capabilities-based microservices platform, with structured IPC across processes. All major platforms both cloud and clients (even browsers) have gone to great lengths to deliver precisely that on top of existing OSs, with many expensive layers and…

Unikernels. Throw away the OS completely, and just run the server application on the hardware/hypervisor. That would be my answer for servers. You kinda don't need an OS for them.

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Post by marcus_holmes »

Has anyone actually tried the Metaverse yet?

As I understood it, this was basically a massively expensive failed experiment so far. No-one is using it for reals (yet?).

Who's the market for developing apps for it?

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Post by Nevermark »

asrael_io wrote: post #634
distortedsignal wrote: post #368

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My point is that there is more to "VR Headset Market" than just "low end" - low end is one part of the market, but (right now) Facebook has that part locked up. It may be that there are more places to compete in the VR Headset Market that people on HN don't know about. Like you said, this is probably something like an Android play. Everyone was talking about the Apple Vision Pro as the VR Market's "iPhone moment" whe…

Not really sure if the Vision Pro could be called the iPhone of VR. It's not nearly as popular and its demand has ground to a halt.

It is a wonderful indispensable device for a very special market.

Particular Mac users who happen to particularly like the physical and mental ergonomics, and locational and furniture freedom, of arrangeable virtual screens and a beautiful visual isolation chamber on demand.

(And in my case, who have dramatically customized the light shield and straps to be super comfortable for long periods.

I would buy the next version at twice the price if it came out tomorrow. And give up a lot to do it.

But that is a VERY niche market. There are only three of us happy campers, after the return wave. It is definitely not an iPhone - yet.

Personally, I think they should lean into it as a MacBook Pro killer. Make it a first class pro computing device. That is a good rationale for keeping around a high end spec, high priced version.

Then have Air versions when it becomes possible to ship a cheap enough iOS-computing level version for the masses.

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Post by pjmlp »

boomlinde wrote: post #708
pjmlp wrote: post #704

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Actually some of the Open Group standards, are pay to play, they are open in the sense they are available, in some form.

So are Meta publishing standards, gratis or not, which I can implement to create a compatible operating system? I'm asking because it seems to me from this press release that they're just letting a handful of hardware partners use their software, which is not open in the sense of POSIX Open Group.

Open like this? https://www.opengroup.org/membership

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Post by wraptile »

simondotau wrote: post #709
m463 wrote: post #676

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I think apple has high trust only because they repeat their message all the time. However, just buy an apple device and try to use it. You cannot use it without apple allowing it. You must connect to apple and activate your device. And as part of activation, you get a chance to read apple's privacy policy. Literally thousands of pages of privacy policy without the ability to DO anything, like say "No". And everything…

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I've never had my phone or tech device stolen in general. This anti theft stuff is a red herring or a distraction from real societal issues.

Something along the lines of "sell us your rights and the device that doesn't really belong to you will not be stolen from us, I mean you."

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