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Post by j2bax »

croes wrote: post #617
shubhamjain wrote: post #458

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not claiming how right or wrong the final outcome would be, but owning the technology with a clear "for-profit" objective is definitely a better structure for Microsoft and for Sam Altman as well (considering, his plans for the future). I have no opinion on AI risk. I just think that a super valuable technology under a non-profit objective was simply an untenable structure, regardless of potential threats.

Better for MS and Altman, that's exactly. AI should benefit mankind, not corporate profit.

That’s a nice thought but why would this technology be any different than any other? Perhaps OpenAI and Microsoft now compete with each other. Surely they won’t be the only players in the game… Apple, Google won’t just rest on their laurels. Perhaps they will make a better offer at some point to some great minds in AI.

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Post by LudwigNagasena »

zurfer wrote: post #253

I don't buy it. If you listen to Sam and Greg, they want to change the world and bring us into a world of abundance that everyone can participate in. They were the ideators of this "awkward non-profit owning a for-profit company". Microsoft is setup to create shareholder value. That's it. Both of them will eventually find it moot to advance tech so a few folks get richer.

Yeah, could someone really do that? Just go on the Internet and tell lies?

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Post by stingraycharles »

DalasNoin wrote: post #684
zoogeny wrote: post #190

All of the naysayers here seem convinced this is Altman and Microsoft looking to destroy OpenAI. Normally I am the cynic but this time I’m seeing a potential win-win here. Altman uses his talent to recruit and drive forward a brilliant product focused AI. OpenAI gets to refocus on deep research and safety. Put aside cynicism and consider Nadella is looking to create the best of all worlds for all parties. This might…

Reading the statement, I am doubtful that Microsoft and OpenAI can continue their business relationship. I think the most aggressive part of this is the "[they will be joining] together with colleagues" sub sentence. He is basically openly poaching the employees of a company that he supposedly has a very close cooperation with. This situation seems especially difficult since Microsoft basically houses all of openai's…

In the end it’s all about business, and it’s not in Microsoft’s interest to destroy OpenAI. It’s in Microsoft’s interest to keep the relationship warm, because it’s basically two different philosophies that are at odds with each other, one of which is now being housed under Microsoft R&D.

For all we know, OpenAI may actually achieve AGI, and Microsoft will still want a front row seat in case that happens.

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Post by didntcheck »

Athari wrote: post #593
jug wrote: post #444

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ilya should just go to Anthropic AI at this point. They have better momentum at this point after all this, and share his ideals. But it would be funny because they broke off of OpenAI because of their Microsoft ventures already in 2019, haha. He'd be welcomed with a big "We told you so!"

I don't consider Anthropic's approach to safety fantastic. They train the model to lie, play cat and mouse with jailbreakers, run moderation on generations with delay etc. This makes the model appear safer, as it's harder to jailbreak, but this approach solves nothing fundamentally. If Ilya is concerned about safety and alignment, he probably has a better chance to get there with OpenAI, now the he has more control o…

I haven't paid a lot of attention to Anthropic. Are you able to summarize, or link anything about, those events for those who missed it? Particularly the "training to lie" bit

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Post by cal85 »

quonn wrote: post #709

It seems to me like there is one clear winner, Google, and everyone else lost a bit. Nevertheless Microsoft seems to have contained the damage as well as possible, again producing an outcome that is better for everyone from the position where they started after Friday.

How does Google benefit?

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Post by dangthrow »

nopromisessir wrote: post #604
unsupp0rted wrote: post #508

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Guess who'll be running Microsoft after Satya, and what Microsoft's core offering / cash cow will be.

Never gonna happen. Satya runs the biggest race track. Altman trains pure breds trying to win the Kentucky derby repeatedly. Totally diff games. Both big bosses. Not equivalent and never will be. Totally diff career tracks.

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Post by stingraycharles »

dagmx wrote: post #137
mirzap wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Satya will probably allow them to run a startup under the MS umbrella without interference and with full MS backing.

I really don’t think that’s in the Microsoft DNA to do

I believe Microsoft R&D has always been a widely respected and culturally “different” org than the rest of the Microsoft org.
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