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I have a theory.

Ilya has always seemed like he was idealistic and I’m guessing that he was the reason for OpenAI’s very strange structure. Ilya is the man when it comes to AI so people put up with his foolishness. Adam D'Angelo is, like Ilya, an amazing computer science talent who may have shared Ilya’s idealistic notions (in particular OpenAI is non-profit, unless forced to be capped profit and is categorically not in the business of making money or selling itself to MSFT or any entity). “Helen” and “Tasha” are comically out of their depth and are loony toons, and simply decided at some time ago to follow Ilya.

Sam got the call from MSFT to sell, MSFT really ponied up (300B ?). The inference costs for OpenAI are/were staggering and they needed to sell (or get a large influx of capital which was in the works). This ran counter to Ilya’s idealistic notions. Sam attempted to negotiate with Ilya and the loony toons, a vote was called and they lost, hard.

I think this tracks with all the data we have.

There are a couple of other scenarios that track given OpenAI’s comically poor board composition, but I think the one above is the most plausible.

If this did happen then OpenAI is in for a hard future. Imagine you worked at OpenAI and you just found out that your shares could have been worth a tremendous amount and now their future is, at best, uncertain. There will be some true believers who won;t care but many (most?) will be appalled.

Let this be a lesson, don’t have a wacky ownership structure and wacky board when you have the (perhaps) the most valuable product in the world.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

#713

Here is a different perspective. Theoretically, the board is supposed to work like this, and exactly has a purpose - to vote on very important matters. Given what proof they had on the table. Greg Brockman, Ilya Sutskever, and independents such as Adam D’Angelo, Tasha McCauley, and Helen Toner could drive 3+ votes against Sam Altman. Rarely do we see board in action. And we saw this one today.

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Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

#714

Altman was at APEC yesterday saying "humanity is on the edge of destroying itself" or similar. A few things that could lead to the company throwing shade: 1. Real prospects of OpenAI progress have been undersold, and that Altman and cofounders sought to buy time by slow-rolling the board 2. Real profitability is under/overestimated 3. The board was not happy with the "doom and gloom" narrative to world leaders 4. Wor…

>Altman was at APEC yesterday saying "humanity is on the edge of destroying itself" or similar.

A take on this is it's a strategy to get world governments to heavily regulate it by scaring them. This would make a massive barrier to entry leaving the current players the only ones allowed to play.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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Not surprised. This summer I had a conversation with a senior staffer at OpenAI who had smoke coming from his ears due to Sam's incompetence. Contrary to his public image, he doesn't have the skillset of a CEO. He was a failed founder who was hired to head YC because he's smart and likeable. He was in a similar role at AI - a brainy media mouthpiece. Real work being done by senior staff. OpenAI's massive scale-up req…

dude no way, loopt was super successful - the 4th most successful geo checkin startup of the 2000s.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

#716
Here's my theory of what happened -

1. Sam gets the company to agree to pick up the costs of lawsuits relating to unauthorized not-fair-use use of copyrighted content. 2. Announces this. 3. Then tells the board that he is directly on the hook on some lawsuits - essentially creating a safety net/insurance policy for himself without being candid with the board.

Hence, fired.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

#717

I have a theory. Ilya has always seemed like he was idealistic and I’m guessing that he was the reason for OpenAI’s very strange structure. Ilya is the man when it comes to AI so people put up with his foolishness. Adam D'Angelo is, like Ilya, an amazing computer science talent who may have shared Ilya’s idealistic notions (in particular OpenAI is non-profit, unless forced to be capped profit and is categorically not…

This wasn’t obvious, but it seems likely when you put it that way.

Unlike other iconic company/founder origin stories OpenAI really felt like they hit a special team dynamic that was on the verge of some equally special.

In light of this OpenAI still feels like they will be a relevant player, but I’ll be expecting more from Sam and Greg.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

#719

I have a theory. Ilya has always seemed like he was idealistic and I’m guessing that he was the reason for OpenAI’s very strange structure. Ilya is the man when it comes to AI so people put up with his foolishness. Adam D'Angelo is, like Ilya, an amazing computer science talent who may have shared Ilya’s idealistic notions (in particular OpenAI is non-profit, unless forced to be capped profit and is categorically not…

Maybe the being wacky was what led to them having the most valuable product in the world?

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

#720

Kara Swisher: a “misalignment” of the profit versus nonprofit adherents at the company https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725678074333635028 She also says that there will be many more top employees leaving.

Sutskever: "You can call it (a coup), and I can understand why you chose this word, but I disagree with this. This was the board doing its duty to the mission of the nonprofit, which is to make sure that OpenAI builds AGI that benefits all of humanity." Scoop: theinformation.com

https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1725707548106580255

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