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benjaminwootton wrote: post #683
kakakiki wrote: post #599

From Elon's twitter ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674942336583757825?s=20 ) "This will be unlocked shortly. Per my earlier post, drastic & immediate action was necessary due to EXTREME levels of data scraping. Almost every company doing AI, from startups to some of the biggest corporations on Earth, was scraping vast amounts of data. It is rather galling to have to bring large numbers of servers online on an…

Elon has a good point there. Much of the current AI hotness is predicated on stealing peoples content and exploiting the infrastructure that other people have built. I don’t think it’s acceptable. The licenses, compensation models, law, technical solutions, attribution, security and privacy all need time to catch up. Regulation has a role to play as its a bit of a free for all right now. The irony of Elon mentioning…

This could easily be solved by making the unauthenticated access hard for machines to consume, like introducing delays or some kind of captcha or even just proof of work (reverse some hash). While the authenticated get all the snappiness they want.

I'm strictly anti account, so he just lost me as audience. The next walled garden after Facebook and Instagram that won't ever see me again.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by nrb »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #665
worrycue wrote: post #635

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I despise Musk as much as anyone else and charging for API access has hurt a lot of valuable use cases like improving accessibility but … how about not massive scraping a site that doesn’t want you to?

This isn't going to make them stop either. Musk is about to see a spike in account creations using the method of lowest resistance. I expect "sign in with apple" will disappear as an option soon, given its requirement of supporting "hide my email" that makes it trivial to create multiple twitter profiles from one apple ID.

This works in his favor though, more accounts means higher ad rev and MAU for valuation.

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Post by dragon111 »

yuuuuuuuu wrote: post #711
benjaminwootton wrote: post #683

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon has a good point there. Much of the current AI hotness is predicated on stealing peoples content and exploiting the infrastructure that other people have built. I don’t think it’s acceptable. The licenses, compensation models, law, technical solutions, attribution, security and privacy all need time to catch up. Regulation has a role to play as its a bit of a free for all right now. The irony of Elon mentioning…

This could easily be solved by making the unauthenticated access hard for machines to consume, like introducing delays or some kind of captcha or even just proof of work (reverse some hash). While the authenticated get all the snappiness they want. I'm strictly anti account, so he just lost me as audience. The next walled garden after Facebook and Instagram that won't ever see me again.

Sounds like outright banning is a stopgap measure, maybe they will implement one of these solutions

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by zeven7 »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #675
zeven7 wrote: post #654

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He's been somewhat critical of OpenAI. Specifically the part about it pivoting to a for-profit business. > I’m still confused as to how a non-profit to which I donated ~$100M somehow became a $30B market cap for-profit. If this is legal, why doesn’t everyone do it? https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1636047019893481474 > I donated the first $100M to OpenAI when it was a non-profit, but have no ownership or control h…

You’re sharing lies. He donated $10 mil and talks it up 10x.

There's a lot of lies in tweets. The point was: he's been disparaging OpenAI. It doesn't matter how much he donated or if he donated.

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Post by dizhn »

photonthug wrote: post #581
brushfoot wrote: post #198

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I'm cautiously optimistic about Lemmy. Anyone can spin up an instance, so it's decentralized, but instances are connected, so there's community. It may still be rough around the edges, but to me it feels like the spirit of the old phpBB forums combined with almost 20 years of lessons learned from Reddit.

Not responding directly, just piggy-backing for lack of a better place to put this comment. The problem with Lemmy is that one gets sent to some place like https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances , is immediately confronted with a ton of weird links like "butts.international" and "badblocks.rocks", what even is this? And about 100000 other servers just named "lemmy", "notlemmy", and "lemmy1". So you clic…

You're making a very good point. I looked at lemmy stuff before but I moved to kbin instead. It has a more familiar interface (to reddit) and it is federated with lemmy. This all sounds good and it is. But even there I basically have no idea what's going on. It has more content than the lemmy instances you visited but every once in a while when I remember to visit I only look at whatever landing page I configured and can't figure out what's kbin, what's lemmy, what "magazine" I am looking at etc. To be fair, it's already a pretty good product and it is likely to get a lot better. That's exactly why I keep trying.

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Post by meinheld111 »

gnicholas wrote: post #612
kakakiki wrote: post #599

From Elon's twitter ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674942336583757825?s=20 ) "This will be unlocked shortly. Per my earlier post, drastic & immediate action was necessary due to EXTREME levels of data scraping. Almost every company doing AI, from startups to some of the biggest corporations on Earth, was scraping vast amounts of data. It is rather galling to have to bring large numbers of servers online on an…

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Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

dang wrote: post #650
nunez wrote: post #110

This killed nitter. Fuck. I guess I'm done with Twitter. Reddit is in Eternal September. Twitter is login-walled. If HN is next, I'll probably be mostly done with the Internet. This version of the Internet is starting to suck. :(

HN isn't next. We hate change. (More precisely: we're acutely aware that users hate change, and since we do too, it's kind of an easy call.) Also, the value of HN to YC consists of the community and keeping the community happy is therefore a must. (Did I say happy? More precisely: as happy as possible under the circumstances)

I’ve been here for 6 years and the format is still a breath of fresh air when I come back from things like Twitter or Reddit.

It’s not that I’m opposed to change really. I love good ideas, and being surprised by new and unfamiliar things is usually a joy. Communication via text is hard to improve upon though, and I’m not convinced any major social media platforms have found ways to improve this in any meaningful ways.

I want to read interesting things and discuss them with interesting people. This is hard on most platforms. HN makes it easier than everything else I use.

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Post by KronisLV »

hext wrote: post #471
calebcannon wrote: post #463

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The internet is most definitely not fine. There is an incoming tsunami of chat gpt generated bullshit that is going to make most open discussion sites more or less useless. Twitter requiring accounts and Reddit shutting down apis are both related: chat gpt et al are a threat to the social media business and ironically made possible because of the social media business. TBF I think we should all be exercising extreme…

Right, if you aren’t already doing this, you’re about to have to screen every single comment online in a fucked up game of ‘human or robot’

> Right, if you aren’t already doing this, you’re about to have to screen every single comment online in a fucked up game of ‘human or robot’

Hah, this might mean that we'd be one step closer to the dead internet (conspiracy) theory actually being reality: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Internet_theory

What an interesting concept.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by 3cats-in-a-coat »

dang wrote: post #650
nunez wrote: post #110

This killed nitter. Fuck. I guess I'm done with Twitter. Reddit is in Eternal September. Twitter is login-walled. If HN is next, I'll probably be mostly done with the Internet. This version of the Internet is starting to suck. :(

HN isn't next. We hate change. (More precisely: we're acutely aware that users hate change, and since we do too, it's kind of an easy call.) Also, the value of HN to YC consists of the community and keeping the community happy is therefore a must. (Did I say happy? More precisely: as happy as possible under the circumstances)

The choice is not between no change and drastic change, but selecting a rate of change that is appropriate. Things which do not change, die, as the only thing that is constant is change. Change or be changed.
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