>> Meta has found early success in VR gaming and fitness...
Really? Is this true at any scale, let alone FB scale? I think there's plenty of room in this space for both Meta and Apple to fail in their own ways.
Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
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Modern Android processors are pretty competitive with iPhone's silicon: S23, 1.4k (Single core), 4.8k (Multi core), 79.3 (3d mark/GPU) 14 pro max, 1.8k (Single core), 5.3k (Multi core), 74 (3d mark/GPU) Looks like gen2 is already on-par in multi-core and GPU perf. Single core still is 28% faster in iphone. --- https://www.tomsguide.com/news/galaxy-s23-ultra-vs-iphone-14...
Yeah but the Vision Pro rocks an M2 chip, not the A-Series in the iPhone.
And it uses all that power to run... iPad apps.
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I really don't understand why nobody else has managed making decent touchpads. Is it not extremely high priority??
I have an XPS 15, the touchpad is fine. When I use a macbook I don't think "oh my god the touchpad is great", although that might just be because I'm too busy thinking "oh my god this OS is terrible".
The touchpad is mostly fine now though you could argue Apple laptops are still more responsive. It wasn't always the case.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#714This sounded weak to me. Apple is making an integrated headset: their own lenses, processor, ..., down to the operating system. The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components. We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful . It has to be responsive. It has to have the little to…
> We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position Isn't this what Android did? They seem like they're doing fine enough
> Isn't this what Android did? They seem like they're doing fine enough
I don't think Meta's aspirations are to be Android. They were first movers in this space, spent billions and billions, only to be the less profitable, less coveted platform?
As outsiders, this is already how we're looking at it when Apple stepped in, which is unfortunate, and why Mark's refusal to acknowledge reality isn't a great look.
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It's amazing how seamlessly people have switched from relentlessly mocking Meta's investment in VR to pretending it never happened
Perhaps Apple entering the space with such significant investment lends some validation to Meta’s efforts.
N-no! It can't be. Meta is the company that my favorite company hates!
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#716I use the Quest Pro right now, because my interest in spatial computing (I like Apple's new term so trying to use it, haha) is greater than my misgivings about Meta (even though those are significant). I will buy the Apple thing, too. There are a lot of interesting differences between them (obviously, the biggest one being the price, and deriving from that) but the one I find interesting is Apple's decision not to ha…
Although these devices will be compared to each other ceaselessly, I think they're targeting two distinct markets. Apple believes that Vision Pro is the future of personal computing. Meta keeps marketing the Quest as social-connected VR gaming device. The former market is far larger and anything that displaces the PC will be transcendental. Although Meta will sell more units in the short-term due to Apple's pricing,…
Yup, I think the main difference is the default use case:
- Oculus content consumption
- Apple Vision productivity
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Not just this, but you couldn't see the product. In a store you can look at the product, see how it feels, try it on, test it out, etc. Early online shopping was a big gamble with different stores having different rules. It was often a frustrating experience. Distance selling regulations helped with it a lot. I can buy a product online and if I'm not happy with it, for any reason, I can send it back for a refund. Thi…
> Not just this, but you couldn't see the product. In a store you can look at the product, see how it feels, try it on, test it out, etc. This is why I still buy clothes, shoes and sport gears at stores. Returning products takes time and you still don't have what you wanted to buy. If I buy a new item of the very same model I bought before, that's OK to buy online. Unfortunately companies keep changing models every y…
If you want to sell something like clothes where purchase without trial results in very high returns, you need to build this into your model. The way Old Navy does returns means you can buy multiples and send 80%+ of them back very easily. Their business model is completely based on anything less than 100% returns is a win, so they optimize very differently than say, "how can we reduce returns to single digits?"
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> The promise of VR is to unlock a world free of the constraints of physics. Where physical distance prevents certain styles of communication and interaction - where physical real estate is finite and therefore rivalrous, etc. There are many things that VR, in principle, could solve... See. You just did the exact same thing that Op is talking about. You didn't describe a single actual use case. You just talked about…
If a set of vr hardware can make it so I can work as ergonomically from my patio as from my desk I will throw money at it.
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Thats what I am saying. They had 3 iterations, yet, are technologically behind Apple. I mean, just pure technology wise, the screens, number of sensors, processing power itself is mind boggling. I am sure that all their hadware decisions regarding oculus were constrained by the compute hardware. Apple has the moat of world class custom silicon that means, the constraints on its designers are far less. And we are seei…
They’re constrained by price: they haven’t trained the market to accept a $3500 piece of hardware from Facebook. Apple has. The “people with $3500 to spare” market knows that it’ll be polished and likely worth the price tag due to the “sparks joy” factor that Apple regularly delivers.
Apple "has"? Hey the device is not even released and there is nothing like a preorder number that can tell a story. Please just be more mindful of the facts here. Your own speculation is simply meaningless.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#720Well, Mark is mistakenly positioning the Vision Pro in the same braket of his Quest. The Vision is going after Microsoft's HoloLens and it's a closed case already (if anything because Microsoft dropped the towel long ago). Nope, according to rumor Apple has another device in the pipeline and that should make Mark lose some sleep: you see, now that Apple announced it, the VP is in feature freeze and they can switch fu…
Would they really make the announcements in this order? It will make the cheaper device a lot weaker, everyone will be talking about what it doesn't have.
Either the things it doesn't have are important, in which case people will feel they are getting a dumbed-down device and may look at the competition if it's cheaper for the same set of good-enough features, or these things won't be considered that important, in which case no one will buy the high end one…