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Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Post by samstave »

brookst wrote: post #680
nonethewiser wrote: post #555

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This is the definition of regulatory capture. Altman should be invited to speak so that we understand the ideas in his head but anything he suggests should be categorically rejected because he’s just not in a position to be trusted. If what he suggests are good ideas then hopefully we can arrive at them in some other way with a clean chain of custody. Although I assume if he’s speaking on AI they actually intend on c…

I'm not following this "good ideas must come from an ideologically pure source" thing. Shouldn't we be evaluating ideas on the merits and not categorically rejecting (or endorsing) them based on who said them?

Aside from who is saying them, the premise holds water.

AI is beyond-borders, and thus unenforceable in practicality.

The top-minds-of-AI are a group that cannot be regulated.

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AI isnt about the industries it shall disrupt ; AI is the policy-makers it will expose.

THAT is what they are afraid of.

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I have been able to do financial lenses into organizations that even with rudimentary BI would have taken me months/weeks - but I have been able to find insights which took me minutes.

AI regulation right now, in this infancy, is about damage control.

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Its the same as the legal weed market. You think BAIN Capital just all of a sudden decided to jump into the market without setting up their spigot?

Do you think that haliburton under cheney was able to setup their supply chains without cheney as head of KBR/Hali/CIA/etc...

Yeah, this is the same play ; AI is going to be squashed until they can use it to profit over you.

Have you watched ANIME ever? Yeah... its here now.

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Post by lubesGordi »

wellthisisgreat wrote: post #458
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #286

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Altman is simultaneously pumping a crypto project [1]. [1] https://www.yahoo.com/news/worldcoin-chatgpt-sam-altman-ethe...

It’s a disgrace

I think the idea is that you need some way to filter out the bots, so 'worldcoin' or 'worldid' is used to prove 'personhood'.

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Post by TheDudeMan »

pg_1234 wrote: post #634
nonethewiser wrote: post #555

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the definition of regulatory capture. Altman should be invited to speak so that we understand the ideas in his head but anything he suggests should be categorically rejected because he’s just not in a position to be trusted. If what he suggests are good ideas then hopefully we can arrive at them in some other way with a clean chain of custody. Although I assume if he’s speaking on AI they actually intend on c…

There is also growing speculation that the current level of AI may have peaked in a bang for buck sense. If this is so, and given the concrete examples of cheap derived models learning from the first movers and rapidly (and did I mention cheaply) closing the gap to this peak, the optimal self-serving corporate play is to invite regulation. After the legislative moats go up, it is once again about who has the biggest…

Why? Because there hasn't been any new developments last week? Oh wait, there has.

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Post by smolder »

> He also said companies should have the right to say they do not want their data used for AI training, which is one idea being discussed on Capitol Hill. Altman said, however, that material on the public web would be fair game.

Why is this only mentioned as a right of companies and not individuals? It seems to hint at the open secret of the stratified west: most of us are just cows for the self-important C-levels of the world to farm. If you haven't got money, you haven't got value.

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Post by samstave »

briantakita wrote: post #709
brookst wrote: post #680

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I'm not following this "good ideas must come from an ideologically pure source" thing. Shouldn't we be evaluating ideas on the merits and not categorically rejecting (or endorsing) them based on who said them?

> Shouldn't we be evaluating ideas on the merits and not categorically rejecting (or endorsing) them based on who said them? The problem is when only the entrenched industry players & legislators have a voice, there are many ideas & perspectives that are simply not heard or considered. Industrial groups have a long history of using regulations to entrench their positions & to stifle competition...creating a "barrier…

I can only say +1 = and I know how much HN hates that, but ^This.

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Post by NumberWangMan »

AlexandrB wrote: post #579
diputsmonro wrote: post #533

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Yeah, it's an arms race, and OpenAI does stand to lose. But this is a prisoner's dilemma situation. OpenAI can shut themselves down, but that doesn't fix the problem of someone creating a dangerous situation, as everyone else will keep going. The only way to actually stop it is to get everyone to stop at once, via regulation. Otherwise, stopping by yourself is just a unilaterally bad move. That's the charitable expla…

> The only way to actually stop it is to get everyone to stop at once, via regulation. Otherwise, stopping by yourself is just a unilaterally bad move. How will that work across national boundaries? If AI is as dangerous as some claim, the cat is already out of the bag. Regardless of any licensing stateside, there are plenty of countries who are going to want to have AI capability available to them - some very well-r…

It won't, which is why people are also calling for international regulation. It's a really hard problem. If you think AGI is going to be very dangerous, this is a depressing situation to be in.

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Post by [deleted] »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #695
happytiger wrote: post #497

We need to MAKE SURE that AI as a technology ISN'T controlled by a small number of powerful corporations with connections to governments. To expound, this just seems like a power grab to me, to "lock in" the lead and keep AI controlled by a small number of corporations that can afford to license and operate the technologies. Obviously, this will create a critical nexus of control for a small number of well connected…

> To expound, this just seems like a power grab to me, to "lock in" the lead and keep AI controlled by a small number of corporations that can afford to license and operate the technologies. If you actually watch the entire session, Altman does address that and recommend to Congress that regulations 1) not be applied to small startups, individual researchers, or open source, and 2) that they not be done in such a way…

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Post by dhkk »

robwwilliams wrote: post #666
pg_1234 wrote: post #634

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is also growing speculation that the current level of AI may have peaked in a bang for buck sense. If this is so, and given the concrete examples of cheap derived models learning from the first movers and rapidly (and did I mention cheaply) closing the gap to this peak, the optimal self-serving corporate play is to invite regulation. After the legislative moats go up, it is once again about who has the biggest…

Counterpoint—-there is growing speculation we are just about to transition to AGI.

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