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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by Varqu »

myrmidon wrote: post #177
Varqu wrote: post #49

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Why is this downvoted? Are the numbers bad? This is suprising to me as non-American because Detroit reads to me "like gang-infested murdercity" and I would have expected San Francisco to do significantly better in crime numbers... Are the numbers misleading or IS criminality in San Francisco comparable to Detroit?

The numbers might not be 100% accurate (as other commenter mentioned, there is no normalized dataset available) but they show an approximate scale.

It seems though that some Bay located HN readers disagree with both statistical and anecdotal evidence, which might be actually an example of sunken cost bias (it's not surprising considering the cost of property in SF / Bay Area)

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Post by dpedu »

mztwo wrote: post #22

As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

This is a bad take and itself an emotional narrative. For one, the person arrested is a suspect and not in any way proven or admitted to be the killer. Putting that aside, it's still a bad take because you're ignoring the many other incidents that took place on the same day, such as the SF Fire Commissioner who was beaten with a metal pipe by random drug users outside his house.

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Post by phendrenad2 »

say_it_as_it_is wrote: post #671
j4pe wrote: post #20

Joe Eskenazi, the author of this piece, is a solid journalist who helps run the tiny donation-funded Mission Local. They've done incredible reporting on corruption in the SF city government and punch way above their weight in the stories they break. I have respect for how Joe refused to join in reporting this murder as evidence of a violent crime epidemic, while still reporting on homelessness and property crime.

Joe Eskenazi shared the identity of the alleged killer, potentially ruining the life/career of someone who may not have killed Bob.

I don't think hiding the names of accused suspects is realistic. Instead, we should try to educate the public and remind them that people are still innocent until proven guilty.

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Post by stonogo »

lelanthran wrote: post #666
zenlikethat wrote: post #632

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No, you're not the only one. While I don't like the depressing level of homelessness, mental illness, and drug addiction, I generally haven't felt nearly as unsafe as people always play up. If there's a volatile situation around, GTFO, and don't walk in dark neighborhoods at night, de-escalate, that kind of thing helps a lot of course. Also, why do we never factor gun violence into these conversations about safety? I…

> there were about 130 gun injuries/deaths per 100k in a recent year -- in SF, about 30! Which is worse, getting shot, or avoiding poop on the sidewalk San Francisco is number 23 for violent crime in the list of cities on wikipedia. Your options are not "get shot in another city Vs avoiding poop on the sidewalk in San Francisco", it's "don't get hurt or killed in the average city Vs get hurt or killed in San Francisc…

Speaking of equivocation, no it isn't. It's number 23 for crime.

If you sort by total in the violent crime section, it's well out of the top fifty.

It's number four in property crime, which is awful, but not a measure of safety.

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Post by tjsnyder »

paulddraper wrote: post #695
zenlikethat wrote: post #632

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No, you're not the only one. While I don't like the depressing level of homelessness, mental illness, and drug addiction, I generally haven't felt nearly as unsafe as people always play up. If there's a volatile situation around, GTFO, and don't walk in dark neighborhoods at night, de-escalate, that kind of thing helps a lot of course. Also, why do we never factor gun violence into these conversations about safety? I…

> why do we never factor gun violence into these conversations about safety Because it doesn't particularly matter if you are robbed, hurt, or killed by a gun, knife, bat, or fists. (And when looking at stats, remember: over half of gun deaths in the U.S. are self-inflicted. Which is still tragic, but different than assault.)

It does matter as guns are obviously far more deadly than the others

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Post by comte7092 »

wootland wrote: post #390
comte7092 wrote: post #283

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It’s interesting that you feel the need to say you don’t mean to politicize this, when the topic is already quite clearly political in nature, you’re simply addressing a point in an ongoing political discussion.

Why is one tech exec killing another tech exec "political by nature"? Seems the definition of personal or business related, not political.

Those are the facts of the case, however what they were commenting on was the conversation that arose and has been ongoing since the event, which is out of line with the facts as we have come to know them. That conversation exists and is already political, there is no “making it political” at this point.

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Post by Apocryphon »

tqi wrote: post #314
basisword wrote: post #82

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The number of high profile tech bros on Twitter using the death to further their own views was disgraceful. SF may have big issues but using someone’s murder to further your political beliefs is horrible. I’m sure we won’t hear any retraction though.

> using someone’s murder to further your political beliefs is horrible. Agree that it's gross but we do it all the time, and I think too often it only feels horrible to people when the political beliefs aren't align with one's own. If the loudest voices in this incident had been pushing for increased funding for supportive housing or mental health services, would Joe Eskenazi have written an article titled "Bob Lee d…

To be fair, such an article isn’t finger-pointing at a specific population of people, but at a systemic issue, so it’s more acceptable either way.

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Post by misssocrates »

Convolutional wrote: post #681
mztwo wrote: post #22

As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

After the murder, I had to read scores of comments like this ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35456168 ) about the homeless, need for more law enforcement (although the US already incarcerates more of its population than any industrialized country) etc. I had to read scores of tech bros in the professional-managerial class whinge about the poor, about black lives matter and how this was due to "progressivism".…

What percentage are entrepreneurs and what percentage are people with mental health problems and or drug addiction?

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Post by [deleted] »

zenkat wrote: post #608
jb3689 wrote: post #440

It’s pretty incredible to me that the whole community on the last thread was fixated on the fact that it must’ve been the homeless/drug addicts. What kind of place is it where you immediately dismiss premeditated murder, or even throw it up as 50-50?

I think that says more about Hacker News than SF. There's a level of hate for the city here that I don't understand. Feels a bit like a vendetta sometimes.

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Post by simplotek »

microtherion wrote: post #653
pentagrama wrote: post #437

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I'm in doubt if is ethical journalism reveal the name and LinkedIn profile of an alleged killer, sounds like doxing to me.

Given how heavily and uncritically the initial theory of a homeless/lower class person as the killer was promoted (not least of all here on HN), I think it made a lot of sense to reveal that the actual suspect now arrested worked in the tech industry and was acquainted with the victim. Beyond that, it's nor clear to me that revealing the actual name or other personal details of the suspect serves a legitimate purpose…

> (...) I think it made a lot of sense to reveal that the actual suspect now arrested (...)

Have we learned nothing from Reddit's Boston bomber witch hunt?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Sunil_Tripathi

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