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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Are people here actually trying this out or is it vaporware as of yet? I ask because this seems ambiguous: The new Bing is live today “for desktop limited preview,” but it appears users are only able to “ask” one of a number of preset queries and receive the same results each time. There is also a waitlist to sign up for full access in the future. If it's just an announcement of an announcement*, we should downweight…

Get this, if you use Edge, with bing as search by default and join the waitlist, then another button appears "get access faster" or something, which then takes you to a page to make sure you've defaulted everything to Microsoft, and you've scanned a QR code to download a Bing mobile app. I can't be bothered _all_ of that. Mainly the addition of a new mobile app.

I smell silly OKRs! Why don’t they just release a cool thing and let it rip? That is surely better. Let Edge die if it is gonna die.

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These are great news for the competition! Can't really test Microsoft's implementation yet, but you.com already has ChatGPT-2 integrated in their search for some time and it's really OK, I find myself to use it more and more instead of old search: you just get the answer + aggregation of sources + other results if you need more deep checks.

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Microsoft is using this announcement to get people to install "Bing Wallpaper" and a mobile app. That doesn't inspire confidence.

Just waiting on Microsoft to tell me about hot singles in my area, and the trifecta will be complete

I have to use a windows PC sometimes and if I accidentally move my mouse to the bottom left of the screen a bunch of Bing News articles pop out telling me about 7 different people dying. I don’t know how to turn it off.

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"Join the waiting list" is what turned me off. I'm already trying hard enough to use Windows 11 without a Microsoft account (local only) so that I'm definitely not signing into Bing on Edge. Next step they'll require me to link the OS to it.

I recently setup a new laptop for someone with windows 11 and was surprised how easy it was to get around the online account stuff. The wifi was on when I hit the account setup part, I didnt want to make an account for someone else (name an email and password for someone else, what a mess, no thanks), so I powered the router down. The account screen didnt seem to give any options at all to work around it and make a l…

> surprised how easy it was to get around the online account stuff.

thats not easy, a dark pattern, and not something most people will be able to figure out

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Does it nag you constantly and do everything it can to steal data from you? I think lots of Microsoft products are now technically very good, but I don't like using them because they can't stop annoying me about stuff, and every time I turn my back are committing industrial espionage.

> Does it nag you constantly and do everything it can to steal data from you? I remember having to spend a little while de-shittifying it, they push the Shopping/Rewards stuff pretty hard and clutter up the UI. You can't get rid of Bing on the new tab page without extensions / other hoops.

> I remember having to spend a little while de-shittifying it, they push the Shopping/Rewards stuff pretty hard and clutter up the UI. You can't get rid of Bing on the new tab page without extensions / other hoops.

so... yes. yes it does.

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I agree completely. I'm as skeptical as anyone else about AI/ML-but IMHO, the criticism that "now we won't know what's true" is a tacit admission that we've already given up on critical thinking. In this regard, I honestly think ChatGPT et al. has potential to be a net positive, by virtue of its incorrectness: Maybe it'll force people to question things that they wouldn't have felt the need to otherwise.

It'll get pretty tedious to have to check every little factoid spewed by an LLM. At some point you'll get used to it and stop checking. It would be interesting to see the distribution of how long this takes for a population sample.

I‘d argue that you need to fact check every little piece of info on the internet anyway.

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that is right, with open source there is no last E

That's why Edge's user agent lacks "e": Edg/111.0.1660.6

oh wow thats not a joke

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 13_2) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/110.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Edg/109.0.1518.78

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>of course Edge is Chrome under the hood Embrace, Extend. That's the beauty of open source, right? If development and innovation slows, somebody can fork.

Embrace like king kong embraces godzilla, how are you going to extinguish godzilla? Newsflash its not possible!

Nah, it is rather easy. For instance how many people use vscode and how many vscodium? Why? And for that reason codium could be easily reduced to irrelevance.

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Microsoft, in this case, is pouring billions into this, and the industry at large, from Alphabet to LAION is in an arms race. They will optimize it beyond belief, x100 is rather low, come to think of it. I fully expect to be able to run your own ChatGPT on one DGX H100 unit (640GB GPU memory) in 18 months or less.

> GLM-130B, a model comparable with GPT-3, has 130 billion parameters in FP16 precision, a total of 260G of GPU memory is required to store model weights. The DGX-A100 server has 8 A100s and provides an amount of 320G of GPU memory (640G for 80G A100 version) so it suits GLM-130B well. https://github.com/THUDM/GLM-130B/blob/main/docs/low-resourc...

There is surely lots of room for improvement [1].

[1] "Use GPT-3 incorrectly: reduce costs 40x and increase speed by 5x", https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34702349

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Microsoft is using this announcement to get people to install "Bing Wallpaper" and a mobile app. That doesn't inspire confidence.

Just waiting on Microsoft to tell me about hot singles in my area, and the trifecta will be complete

Youtube has been nagging me with ads about hot single moms in my area and I never ever used Youtube or Google or any browser where I was logged in with any personal account to search for anything "spicy" that would lead them to assume I'm into something like that.

I always used a separate 'clean' browser without any accounts for those kinds of searches which I guess was probably not enough as Google simply matched my IP and figured it out. Probably should have used a VPN.

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