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Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes

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Post by lynx23 »

Archipelagia wrote: post #692
lynx23 wrote: post #655

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I am blind. Would I be able to use your iPad setup to order something in your shop, or is the "lets make everything fancy" setup maybe exclusionary?

I think both of this comment is needlessly hostile. Like, starting the conversation with an accusatory comment of "hey, btw, did you think of this very super rare situation, or are you the evil exclusionary guy?" is kind of an asshole thing to do. Most people with sight don't encounter blindness often, so making someone feel attacked for not thinking about is just a way to generate hostility. Having said that, I actu…

Calling a disabled person an asshole because they are trying to raise awareness for a rare and not well known issue is totally the HN thing to do. Thanks for drilling it in. You must be a very nice person to talk to.

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Post by moonchrome »

martopix wrote: post #703
tsimionescu wrote: post #684

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There are other tipping cultures outside the USA, you know? Tipping is very common in the Balkans and other countries that were influenced by Ottoman culture, for example. While it is not expected, many coffee shops all around Europe also have tipping jars. It's really not common in much of Europe at least for people to actually discourage tipping (though they may seek to refuse what they perceive as exorbitant tips)…

> While it is not expected, That's the key point.

You're not legally obliged to give it - but it's very much expected and you can see the awkwardness when you skip it.

Like just the other month I was in this resort with my family and first night we checked in we went for diner - waiter was very polite, entertained my one year old and gave us tips about the area. We didn't have cash on us so we put it on the room and signed the receipt. Next day he was still professional but not as much effort - then I left a tip for both dinners and suddenly it's back to chat mode, how was your stay, parting drink on the house, please do come back, etc.

In coffee shops you can see the looks you get when you wait for small change.

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Post by lynx23 »

adenozine wrote: post #705
lynx23 wrote: post #696

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Thanks for making your attitude towards people with disabilities clear upfront. Comparing a car dealership with a coffee shop... I am lost on words.

It’s unfortunate that you feel like I have an attitude about it at all. I empathize with you, and I know it must be difficult, especially in everyday life. That being said, you are not entitled to anything more than anybody else just because of your disability. Nobody is entitled to free coffee, just like nobody is entitled to free cars.

What are you talking about? ARe you on drugs or something? Nobody ever said they want a free coffee, nor was anybody ever talking about entitlement. Get your act together, and cool down man.

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Post by quickthrower2 »

zuminator wrote: post #701

I went to a little coffee shop in a museum the other day. I ordered a little sandwich from behind a display, as well as some tea. When I put my card in the machine, the gentleman taking orders immediately said, "press here, just press one of the buttons here," jabbing with his finger in the directions some on-screen buttons for adding a 15, 18, or 20% gratuity. It's true that the buttons weren't very noticeable but I…

Museum. Flux of tourists. Probably doesn’t care about repeat business.

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Post by conaclos »

In France, supermarkets now offer to round up the bill to make donations to associations. This way, supermarkets have a good image and, at the same time, they reduce their taxes by donating to associations.

It is much better to make direct donations to associations.

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Post by ztrww »

rtpg wrote: post #552
xp84 wrote: post #485

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> none of these employees make anywhere near a living wage > the misery of minimum wage coffee shop employees. i don't know, TONS of people make way less than baristas and other counter-service workers. Lots of the customers of those baristas make similar wages as they do. Why does the barista deserve that money more? The maids at a hotel make less than a Starbucks barista, and there's no way they get significant tip…

I am sure every single person would rather be paid a consistent wage. isn't the whole problem with tipping is that every role with tipping will lower the base pay in consideration of that? I would find it very hard to believe anyone receiving tips prefering that to just a stable matching income (except for some exceptional cases...) And yeah, it turns out that people want to be paid more than minimum wage to be on th…

> I am sure every single person would rather be paid a consistent wage

I’m certain that is not the case for many/most (depending on the area and establishment) tipped workers. Most waiters, baristas & bartenders certainly wouldn’t want to earn only slightly more than fast food workers even if the average wage goes up.

> will lower the base pay

Not in California and some other places (applies to at least 10-15% of the US population)

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Post by marliechiller »

kelnos wrote: post #656
seanhandley wrote: post #504

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No - we expect adequate service and no obsequiousness. It makes us uncomfortable to be pampered or if the serving staff are overly friendly or chirpy - it feels insincere to a Brit and puts us into a defensive mode. If serving staff are polite (or at least not surly) and we get served in a reasonable amount of time then that's all we ask for and we'll tip 10% if there was nothing wrong with the meal, or put some chan…

> it blows my mind how different "normal" can be across English-speaking cultures who share a hell of a lot of history and culture. Is that really true, though? The US is such a mix of cultures at this point (and even the more dominant cultures have diverged so much), that I'm not sure it's accurate to say that Brits and Americans generally share all that much culture. History is there, yes, but it's been over 200 ye…

We share a huge amount of culture.

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Post by Acutulus »

fishtoaster wrote: post #48

I quite dislike the tip system, but feel I have no good way to protest it. I could "just not tip," but that mostly harms the people who have the least power in the situation (the waiter) rather than the people who can change it (management). Instead, I feel like the only ethical option available to me is to preferentially frequent no-tip restaurants. Unfortunately there aren't too many of those and although I hate th…

I echo the feeling of a lack of capacity to change things. Given my income level and current situation I resorted to the penultimate form of not tipping: No longer going out to eat, by and large.

It sucks, for sure. We do not have any no-tip restaurants in my area. But price transparency is something that is very important to me and I will stand by my principles on that matter. And since not tipping a person you are face to face with carries a social weight that renders such a move untenable I just don't go out for food at places that ask for tips in any capacity. I'm sure there's an argument one could make about my choice being harmful for tip-heavy employees that use that money to live on. But I have never chosen to subsidize businesses whose practices I don't agree with and tipping has hit a point where it has fallen squarely into that category. I'd like to think if more people thought like me, the market for tipping restaurants would begin to shrivel, but I have little reason to think such a thing will happen in my area at least.

Does this mean maybe we have a glut of restaurants operating in a preferential-to-the-business economic environment, and some might not survive such a change, maybe yeah. Does it mean those employees will have to look for work in a changed market if that does happen, yes. But I want everyone who works to be paid a fair, predictable, agreeable wage for the work they do and continuing to support places that are (I feel) diametrically opposed to that principle does not work towards that goal.

So cast iron chicken and rice pilaf at home it is!

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Post by Symbiote »

alwaysanon wrote: post #448
ddyevf635372 wrote: post #306

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There isn't any tip in New Zealand and Australia. Everybody get proper salary. The service is always exceptional. How is that possible?

I am an American who has been living in Sydney for years and who stopped tipping here after getting used to it not being expected - but it has gotten a little weird/muddied of late. First it was Uber and the food delivery apps - and I did tip there because the app asked and I knew that in the gig economy the workers were not paid well (unlike others in Australia). Then I have been to a few restaurants lately that the…

In Denmark, half the time the waiters are embarrassed that their boss set up the machine to prompt for tips, and press 0 for you.

It's not Square doing this, it's the restaurant owner.

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Post by lynx23 »

Archipelagia wrote: post #692
lynx23 wrote: post #655

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am blind. Would I be able to use your iPad setup to order something in your shop, or is the "lets make everything fancy" setup maybe exclusionary?

I think both of this comment is needlessly hostile. Like, starting the conversation with an accusatory comment of "hey, btw, did you think of this very super rare situation, or are you the evil exclusionary guy?" is kind of an asshole thing to do. Most people with sight don't encounter blindness often, so making someone feel attacked for not thinking about is just a way to generate hostility. Having said that, I actu…

dang, if you read this, please delete my account (or blockit, whatever). I no longer want to be part of this community, nor do I want to accidentally fall for it in the future. kthxbye
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