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Post by zerocrates »

citilife wrote: post #626

I think others may be missing the fact of why Kanye could be buying Parler - Kanye just had his bank account closed by JP Morgan (for what appears to be his beliefs) https://www.tmz.com/2022/10/13/kanye-west-bank-jp-morgan-end... - Kanye was kicked off instagram & twitter https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/kanye-west-ins... - It's still unclear exactly why both occurred. Supposedly it's antisemitism, but h…

The whole JP Morgan thing happened before all this, they dumped him back in September. A week or so before even that he was talking about dropping Chase on TV, he was upset at not getting face time with Jamie Dimon, and he'd been mad at them on social media before that.

The recent statements about Jews and the "white lives matter" thing are both after that letter. That it was instead retaliation for "his beliefs" is a convenient inference his camp is happy for people to draw though.

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Post by _gabe_ »

klyrs wrote: post #706
_gabe_ wrote: post #673

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> Dude's been blasting antisemitism on social media, in violation of long-standing, well-understood policies. Can you give specific examples? I just looked this up because I was interested. This very long winded Vice article only seems to point out a few "antisemitic" statements he makes[0]. Here's the first two: > Ye used a strange metaphor when talking about Black people judging one another, telling Carlson, “Think…

First off, his name is Ye, and I actually like his music (though, let's be honest, Donda was never gonna live up to the hype). This isn't about me not liking the guy. > Show me where Kanye is advocating for the annihilation of the Jews before you go citing baseless claims. Now, I didn't say he's been advocating for the annihilation of Jewish people, I said "blasting antisemitism." Antisemitism exists on a spectrum, a…

Thanks for the clarification. It doesn't help that Twitter has removed this, so all I can find are long winded articles about him saying this without actually showing it. This is clearly an antisemitic statement.

It would be helpful if the media didn't post every single thing he's said about Jewish people claiming it's antisemitism, because that just muddies the waters and makes people more apt to believe the media is just lying.

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

pavlov wrote: post #121
dmix wrote: post #114

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When only the rejects use the sites of course it's going to be full of bad content. That doesn't mean there isn't value in free speech being better valued on mainstream platforms.

> “When only the rejects use the sites of course it's going to be full of bad content.” The problem with this theory is that 4chan is older than both Twitter and Facebook. If unmoderated speech created an inherently better platform, surely 4chan would have captured the market a long time ago and cut off commercial alternatives like Craigslist did.

…or capturing the market would have flooded it in inane speech, rendering it no better (or different) than anywhere else.

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Post by AlexandrB »

citilife wrote: post #626

I think others may be missing the fact of why Kanye could be buying Parler - Kanye just had his bank account closed by JP Morgan (for what appears to be his beliefs) https://www.tmz.com/2022/10/13/kanye-west-bank-jp-morgan-end... - Kanye was kicked off instagram & twitter https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/kanye-west-ins... - It's still unclear exactly why both occurred. Supposedly it's antisemitism, but h…

> - Kanye just had his bank account closed by JP Morgan (for what appears to be his beliefs)

The article quotes Kanye on this one:

> "I went to JP Morgan but of course they won't give me no deal flow cause Jin Ulrich is on the board of both adidas and JP Morgan."

This sounds like an accusation of conflict of interest. How is this related to his beliefs?

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Post by jjtheblunt »

volkk wrote: post #343
jjtheblunt wrote: post #334

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> arguably, the most popular rapper/hip hop artist of all time is he ranked that somewhere? if so, i'm definitely getting old and out of touch with pop culture, and i'm from the Chicago area so grew up with everything available on the radio.

seriously? you don't need to be "young" to know this. unless by old you mean 60+. then perhaps i can understand it

https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-greatest-rappers...

ranked number 10.

But the interesting thing is that you can see how the rankings favor more recent people, with 80s and 90s artists also up there and with far longer careers, but eclipsed by the more recent people.

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Post by rOOb85 »

kleton wrote: post #657
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

His name is now legally Ye. Would you deadname Chelsea Manning in the same way?

Those 2 things are not the same thing. Someone who changes their gender to what they feel they should be, including a new gender name is very much different then a person changing their name to a mononym.

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Post by soulofmischief »

Maursault wrote: post #628
cwkoss wrote: post #609

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Personality disorders aren't curable. > I haven't heard he is violent nor of reports of him berating and belittling others I haven't heard about violence, but berating and belittling others seems common for him - it's practically his brand

> Personality disorders aren't curable. Incorrect. There is no single cure for personality disorders, but that doesn't mean they can't be cured. Any mental illness that is not genetic and which develops due to external causes can be cured. There are many personality disorders, of which NPD is one. While there is no single cure for NPD, in fact NPD can be cured in many cases in one of two ways. Some can be cured relat…

Both you and parent are likely incorrect. The truth is, curability depends on a number of things which we currently lack the correct insight and models to correctly analyze. It's likely case-by-case, and ad-hoc, based on the extremely complex history of the individual.

But most importantly, we don't know, so making broad, absolutist claims is a waste of time.

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Post by api »

themitigating wrote: post #217
_chu1 wrote: post #142

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How about we just go back to not using one big central social communication platform and go back to the spirit of using separate independently owned forums, chatrooms and websites for our little niches and communities to prevent this issue.

How does this prevent the issue? You can say horrible things on smaller forums as well

Sure, and people who don't want to circle jerk about it can leave. This is exactly how it always worked. I've left a lot of toxic forums.

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Post by philippejara »

colinmhayes wrote: post #232
mrtksn wrote: post #53

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I think the problem lies in the impunity, not in the free speech itself. IMHO people should be allowed to say everything but they must accumulate the reputation for saying it. If someone is a racist bigot, they shouldn't be physically restrained(deleting posts is like physically covering someones' mouth) from being bigots but they should definitely be known for it. Then it's up to the community to decide how to inter…

> Maybe everyone exposed to something should be re-exposed to the theme once there's a new development. This doesn't work. Show people two articles, one that is false and one that is true, and most people will say the one that aligns with their priors is true. We need to either teach people to recognize fake news, censor fake news, or accept that basically everyone will believe false propaganda. There are no other op…

And who is going to decide what those "fake news" are to censor and how will you assume they won't fall into the exact same trap of wanting to believe in what they already agree with.

We're hot off the heels of hunter biden, surely that should be a wakeup call regarding how "misinformation experts" go both ways.

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Post by asdff »

least wrote: post #680
asdff wrote: post #492

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Exactly! Free speech is to protect you from being jailed or executed by the state for publicly held opinions. It has absolutely nothing to do with twitter, and I believe anyone arguing that it does is arguing in bad faith or out of ignorance to the actual purpose of the free speech clause of the first amendment.

You have this completely backwards. The first amendment is the US' constitutional protection of free speech. Free speech itself is an inalienable right. You would have the right to free speech regardless of whether or not your government protects it (which many don't). Governments do not grant rights. Free speech on Twitter is a matter of values. It is not a matter of whether or not Twitter is legally liable to prote…

If you have a right and the government isn't protecting it, do you really have a right? Sure you can get all philosophical and say things like every soul has a right to X Y and Z, but that doesn't mean anything in practice outside of the ivory tower if the government you are beholden to has a stance to the contrary.

OTOH if its only about values and not about the actual legal idea of freedom of speech, then you can argue with that logic that there is also a moral value in protecting groups of individuals from being the subject of vitriol and hate speech on a forum you own. That's the position Twitter et al. have taken in this regard.

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