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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

trasz wrote: post #679
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #409

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> EUropean here. This is like the pot calling the kettle black. Europe raped the rest of the world for nearly 500 years: the British Raj, the Belgian Congo, the Opium wars, the race for Africa, Apartheid are but a few examples. Europe created modern chatel slavery. Europe started the WWI and WWII. Europe birthed Nazism and Communism. Many of the problems we currently face are the result of European meddling: from the…

The difference is that Europe stopped doing most of this a century ago, and US didn’t.

Europe stopped doing most of this a century ago, mainly because they couldn’t anymore.

It is like the bully who broke both legs and then goes around on crutches and tells everyone how great he is in that he doesn’t beat people up anymore.

Do you think the UK would have given up India if it were not for the devastation of two world wars?

Look at how France fought to keep its colonies in Algeria and Vietnam?

Look at how Germany bullies countries like Greece and Italy and cozies (up until very recently) to Putin.

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Post by tylersmith »

Clubber wrote: post #704
phpisthebest wrote: post #700

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The US is a Constitutional Republic, Arguing otherwise is showing ignorance of governmental structures.

A republic is a form of democracy. This strange differentiation came about as a GOP talking point in the early 2000s. I'm amazed that it is still repeated 20 year later. Saying the US is not a democracy but a constitutional republic is like saying a car is not an automobile. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic

The differences and potential compromises between various democracies and republics were discussed and debated quite at length when the original US governments were iterating toward the Constitution. It's certainly not just a 20 year old GOP talking point.

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Post by aaomidi »

asah wrote: post #597
aaomidi wrote: post #531

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+1 to all of this. US has no standing with the people of a lot of the world.

While perhaps true, it's irrelevant to THIS conversation - THIS conversation is about a Chinese company operating IN THE US. There does not need to be parity.

How is looking at the larger picture irrelevant here?

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Post by FpUser »

_-david-_ wrote: post #663
FpUser wrote: post #611

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I think the world will be more stable when there are few major players around with not a single one having complete control / dominance. This will insure competition and cooperation between our "masters" and will keep them on their toes.

When there are multiple major players conflicts between them often occur.

Replying here since reply to your last post is not available.

>"Do you think the world would rather have China in charge?"

I prefer the world "ruled" by few major entities / blocks. No need to be either US or China alone.

>"I believe some wars can be just and as such enforcing things through the military can be just."

Like bombing the country that refuses to trade in certain currency?

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Post by remarkEon »

Ekaros wrote: post #165
mesh wrote: post #47

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>Chinese gov generally can't do anything in US compared to US government, so personally I think facebook is more risky. The Economist discussed this last week: >The bigger, underappreciated problem with TikTok is the chance it offers China to manipulate what the app’s vast foreign audience sees. TikTok has gone beyond sunny entertainment to become a major news platform. Open the app and among the songs and skits you…

On other hand Youtube manipulating what is shown is somewhat observable anyway... So it's not unique. Maybe in general we should demand absolute neutrality from these platforms. Ban any sort of promotion of certain producers or sides. Or mandate sufficient warnings covering let's say 33% of screen when such is done. Also if there is fact checking offered it should be open to any actor.

For what seems like the 1000th time in this thread, the uniqueness is not the issue.

YouTube will manipulate you into watching more content, or maybe buying something. TikTik can, and perhaps already has, manipulate[d] you into believing (and then voting) for certain things. It's an extension of the Chinese state.

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Post by throwaway6734 »

FpUser wrote: post #685
throw0101a wrote: post #678

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> I think the world will be more stable when there are few major players around with not a single one having complete control / dominance. Until one thinks they can get an edge over another one by jumping them: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_wars * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Military_history_by_c... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Military_history_by_p...

Major players going to war with each other means mutually assured destruction. I do not think they will.

Yes but proxy wars are going to be brutal.

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Post by Msw242 »

bilbo0s wrote: post #680
snovv_crash wrote: post #589

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Look at the hundred years before that. Everyone was fighting, all the time, not just one country with roughly one skirmish (by historical standards) at any single point.

You are all missing the point. War is a constant. It was in the past. It is a constant today. And it will be in the future. All nations are, at heart, "evil" in this regard. Essentially, nations are just scaled up street gangs with more destructive weapons. The only proven method of keeping these street gangs from getting too far out of hand, of keeping all our war at the level of low intensity conflict, is MAD. Nati…

I mostly agree with you, except I don't believe that MAD is a sufficient deterrent, or that low level conflict is unlikely to evolve into large scale war.

The best way, in my mind to minimize conflict is through a global monopoly on violence, one street gang to rule them all

This is what the last 30 years have been

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Post by jfengel »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #595
elliekelly wrote: post #561

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It annoys me that these headlines keep falsely attributing his statements to the FCC as a whole. I hate TikTok and I tend to agree that it’s a security risk (so, too, is Facebook, IMO). But this guy has it out for TikTok solely for political reasons and in order to please Trump.

To be fair, and I'm not fan of Trump, but if Trump hypothetically supported something good... like let's say universal healthcare, a lot of Democrats would oppose it just because Trump supported it.

I don't see any meaningful way to talk about that hypothetical. Much of what Trump says is chosen specifically to enrage people, and Democrats in particular.

Even if he chose to support, say, universal health care, it would be buried in so much deliberate harassment that there would be no way to arrive at a workable plan.

The suggestion is so counterfactual that I just can't address it one way or the other. He achieved very little legislatively because he didn't really want anything except to anger people. The one thing he achieved is by appointing people to a lifetime office that isn't subjected to checks and balances -- and that accomplishes everything he might want.

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Post by atwood22 »

kergonath wrote: post #454
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I’m not sure you know what 0 sum is. Zero sum doesn’t mean you can’t exchange money for goods and services. > When I go shopping I give them a bill and I get something to eat. Both parties are better off after that transaction. Yes, you go shopping and exchange N dollars for N dollars worth of goods. The net change is 0. That’s why it’s zero sum. Of course, life isn’t truly 0 sum. Otherwise we’d have no total economi…

> I’m not sure you know what 0 sum is. “Zero-sum game is a mathematical representation in game theory and economic theory of a situation which involves two sides, where the result is an advantage for one side and an equivalent loss for the other” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-sum_game > Zero sum doesn’t mean you can’t exchange money for goods and services. Zero-sum means that when I win, the other party loses.…

> Besides, even assuming that it were the case, the fact that the amount of most currencies in existence just keeps increasing is a proof that it does not work like that. Someone, somewhere has to generate that money, therefore there are net emitters.

Money gets created from banks lending money from their deposits. This makes sense even in a zero-sum world.

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

_-david-_ wrote: post #656
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #624

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What does the fact that we are allies change? This is espionnage in any case and the US has shown that they do not miss a beat when it comes to stealing information from us. We would be doing the same of course if we were not much weaker and if our products were actually used over there.

If a major war occurs in the near future it won't be between the EU and the US. This lowers the risk of US companies hold EU data. Also, don't be one sided on this. The EU countries also spy on the US.

> If a major war occurs in the near future it won't be between the EU and the US. This lowers the risk of US companies hold EU data.

I do not understand. What does a war has to do with the fact that countries spy on each other without rest? Merkel's phone was bugged by the US - not something nice you do to an ally, right? (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24690055)

> Also, don't be one sided on this. The EU countries also spy on the US.

I am not and this is exactly why I wrote the second sentence. Our capacities, unfortunately, are way lower.

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