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Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

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Someone will want to enslave people. This has been so for almost all of history for sufficiently large civilizations. In general humans exploit one another when they can get away with it. In the absence of government/societal regulations slavery will occur and thus the “market” minimum wage is 0. Government regulations can be good and they can be bad. In enlightened countries enough good ones are in place to prevent…

> In the absence of government/societal regulations slavery will occur Slavery cannot occur in the absence of governmental and societal regulations, because in that case there's nothing stopping the slaves from leaving. Any such obstacle would be a governmental or societal regulation. > and thus the “market” minimum wage is 0. Slaves are paid much more than zero wages. In every culture, a slave in a good position is…

… because in that case there's nothing stopping the slaves from leaving

Obviously this is false and you can find examples of people being enslaved in countries where it is outlawed. There are plenty of examples of an enslaved person being prevented from escaping even in the presence of laws prohibiting slavery. It’s as if you don’t understand human behavior.

You have a fanciful notion of slavery and what it entails. In another thread you bring up cases where the enslaved had it “good” and act as if this is normative in such circumstances. I am thankful views such are yours are no longer acceptable to most people. Within in your views on this topic one will not find common sense or decency.

That you find it worth your time to try to convince people of the benefits of slavery says much about you and nothing about slavery.

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> In the absence of government/societal regulations slavery will occur Slavery cannot occur in the absence of governmental and societal regulations, because in that case there's nothing stopping the slaves from leaving. Any such obstacle would be a governmental or societal regulation. > and thus the “market” minimum wage is 0. Slaves are paid much more than zero wages. In every culture, a slave in a good position is…

… because in that case there's nothing stopping the slaves from leaving Obviously this is false and you can find examples of people being enslaved in countries where it is outlawed. There are plenty of examples of an enslaved person being prevented from escaping even in the presence of laws prohibiting slavery. It’s as if you don’t understand human behavior. You have a fanciful notion of slavery and what it entails.…

Wait until you meet the neo monarchists.

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> both outcomes are unacceptable What is the alternative? You can't pay someone more than they earn in revenue and minimum wage laws create an artificial price floor that causes everyone who would otherwise earn between above zero and the minimum to instead make zero. The idea of a "living wage" is an worthless notion that assumes that the distribution of income by age and experience is not the one from the real worl…

> Being unhappy with capitalism is being in denial about the world having scarce resources. Food and shelter are not scarce resources. In the United States, we have more empty homes than homeless people. Every day we throw away an obscene amount of food. So again, I say any system that requires the existence of a class of people who cannot afford these things in order to function is morally untenable. Similar shitty…

> I say any system that requires the existence of a class of people who cannot afford these things in order to function is morally untenable

As they say in game of thrones: "what kind of god would do that? - the one we've got"

If we're talking historically, it's not poverty that's out of place, it's wealth.

Paying "livable" wages, as subjective a definition as it is, means some people will be unemployed. Unless those wages are subsidized, that is, but then how is the wealth created and acquired for that? And how do you know that it wouldn't be put to better use elsewhere?

I worked for much less than the US minimum wage as a young adult and I managed to make it work until I was able to gain the skills to earn more. Had the minimum wage been what it is in many American cities today, I wouldn't have been able to work until I was 23, assuming I could've somehow gained useful experience without burdening myself with student debt. It's not like that option wasn't there, but I preferred to work for low wages and I do not regret it. I really don't see any good argument for preventing me from making that choice for myself. But that's what minimum wage laws do.

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Canadian here. I have my doubts on that; I had some devs that's consistently pulled 280 hours a month and once hit I think 320 hours. His salary was $59,000 CAD a year, and I believe the junior devs working with him were earning $11/hr circa 2010 ish and were working fairly close to those hours. The longest work day I've had is 40 or 50 hours without sleep to meet a deadline that and then had to be in bright and earl…

40 hours in a day? Teach me your secrets.

That’s in Canadian hours

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> In the absence of government/societal regulations slavery will occur Slavery cannot occur in the absence of governmental and societal regulations, because in that case there's nothing stopping the slaves from leaving. Any such obstacle would be a governmental or societal regulation. > and thus the “market” minimum wage is 0. Slaves are paid much more than zero wages. In every culture, a slave in a good position is…

… because in that case there's nothing stopping the slaves from leaving Obviously this is false and you can find examples of people being enslaved in countries where it is outlawed. There are plenty of examples of an enslaved person being prevented from escaping even in the presence of laws prohibiting slavery. It’s as if you don’t understand human behavior. You have a fanciful notion of slavery and what it entails.…

> There are plenty of examples of an enslaved person being prevented from escaping even in the presence of laws prohibiting slavery. It’s as if you don’t understand human behavior.

Or perhaps it's as if I'm labeling that prevention a "societal regulation". Go look at my comment again.

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> Amazon founder and former CEO Jeff Bezos saw his warehouse workforce as necessary but replaceable, and feared that workers who remained at the company too long would turn complacent or, worse, disgruntled, according to reporting by the New York Times. Wow. Think about what this is really saying: Amazon adopts the explicit policy of not wanting their workers to stay on long enough to figure out that they are getting…

Bezos was invited to dinner with the Obamas at the White House, along with Jon Stewart. He was flapping his mouth off about his vision for us all being happy little worker drones. Stewart told him that people want fulfilling, rewarding work they can be proud of, and that being errand boys for billionaires isn't fulfilling. Stewart capped it by saying that turning people into service drones for billionaires is how you…

Jon Stewart is the best, honestly he should run for president.

His crossfire episode (celebrity death match) with Tucker Carlson is epic.

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Are you saying it's not fair that people who get paid less get more sympathy?

I’m saying we focus on populations because of a common theme but some problems transcend those categorical boundaries.

Should delegate the same hours of jail time to those managers.

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Everyone is Ludwig von Mises these days. Time to start buying stock in Keynes.

Everything about our federal monetary policy is Keynesian and has been for a long time now, what do you mean?

Well, we're trying to get past the toddler stages so...

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Those idiots! Everyone and their mother knew that printing money since 2008 was going to blow up one day. Technology and unsubstantiated sectors allowed them to print without repercussions for a while and the administration and them also tried to fool people into believing the inflation was transitory... Reckless idiots. And now wage labor is the one to suffer most. 4TT in spending for BBB? Uhhuh! Even Yellen said it…

It's not the money supply. It's a supply side problem due to Corona shutdowns. All the Fed is about to do is induce a bunch of unemployment.

As opposed to businesses which don't want to pay people.

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Civil war? That’s ridiculous. Please turn off Fox/CNN.

You’ve not been paying attention to the world if you think we’re not in that unhealthy society territory.

It's been that way for 300 years. What is new exactly?
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