Huh it feels like that thing only just came out... I had no idea it was already out a full year.
I wonder if it also offers FreeBSD support.. That would be amazing. Though it's probably a long shot especially for the alder lake version.
The new and upgraded Framework Laptop
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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop
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Obviously manufacturers haven't been eradicating useful screen ratios for no reason, I've just never seen anyone publicly admit to being the cause. Would you also like to take the blame for glossy screens, chicklet keyboards, and non-replaceable batteries?
> Obviously manufacturers haven't been eradicating useful screen ratios for no reason For me 16:9/10 is way more "useful" than 3:2/4:3 ever was (had that for ages, wouldn't go back). I love being able to have two different things side-by-side, e.g. an editor and a terminal, on a 13" screen, at a font size I can still read well. I definitely wouldn't buy a square-ish laptop screen.
A poor cope for being forced to use a media consumption format. In order to make full use of the ratio ill-suited to productive work, you are compelled to adopt a specific workflow involving two windows being open at all times. Great, that stackoverflow search page can stay open. Do yourself a favor: pivot one of your cursed resolution monitors and open a source file on it in full screen. That is how many text rows you lost in the war on general purpose computing.
Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop
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> Obviously manufacturers haven't been eradicating useful screen ratios for no reason For me 16:9/10 is way more "useful" than 3:2/4:3 ever was (had that for ages, wouldn't go back). I love being able to have two different things side-by-side, e.g. an editor and a terminal, on a 13" screen, at a font size I can still read well. I definitely wouldn't buy a square-ish laptop screen.
And I'll take anything that's more square than 16:9 personally. 16:9 is great if I wanna watch movies all day, unfortunately for the apparently unaware laptop industry, I need to also work a little bit sometimes. Thankfully Apple never jumped on the stupid 16:9 bandwagon with their laptops. Now if only some monitor manufacturer would wake up and start making 27"+, 16:10, 4K+ monitors with 120hz+ refresh rate then I'l…
> Apple never jumped on the stupid 16:9 bandwagon with their laptops
This is not entirely true :) The MacBook Air 11" was 16:9.
Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop
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I definitely see it on macOS. Set your display scaling to a fractional amount, then drag a window around slowly. You should see the border lines subtly get fuzzier/sharper/change width.
So you have to set the scaling to a non-default amount, to get that to happen. Of course I would expect display artifacts in that case, because you're forcing it to happen.
The default scaling is fractional on recent MacBooks.
Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop
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This is why most people just buy a MacBook: it should not be necessary for the user to read, do, or configure _anything_ to make suspend mode work properly and not drain 30% of your battery overnight.
I've set aside this afternoon to update my macbook because it refused to do the 12.4 update by itself. Then it refused when I asked it to restart manually. Then it looked like it worked and was restarting but actually it just kernel panicked or something I'm not sure. Then it wouldn't acknowledge an update existed. Then it wouldn't check for an update. So now, I'm watching it download and prepare an update in real ti…
Sucks that you had this issue, but the 12.4 update went smoothly for me (unattended) on both an Intel MBP and an M1 Mac Studio. I’ve never experienced an update issue on the Mac (Windows is an entirely different story).
Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop
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My work-issued X1 Carbon with Windows 10 came with busted sleep out of the box. So yes, Windows is no better.
Fucking "connected standby" is the worst thing to happen to ACPI since ACPI. In every OS it's a battery draining backpack heater that provides features nobody wants. In every OS you'd better hope the firmware still supports hybrid suspend or suspend-to-hibernate.
Windows XP, my laptop hibernated when lid was closed, very simple, very reliable.
Things have just gotten worse since then. :(
Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop
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> Yep, same here. And with increasing urgency as Thinkpad quality control seems to have fallen off a cliff. Not really, they are among the rare laptops to still offer S3 for Linux. And the X1 Fold is a technical marvel (working on Linux support right now, if I'm successful it may become my next toy device to try to use Linux on as a daily driver) > Framework seems uniquely positioned to fix this though. Someone just…
> PrintScreen between right Alt and right Ctrl: very important too Please don't. Unless you want users of language layouts that make use AltGr to suffer. Imagine typing away a message, accidentally slipping your finger from AltGr onto the PrintScr (actually SysRq), and triggering a sysrq reboot in linux. Regularly. It's a choice between triggering crashes _all the time_, or disabling sysrq and never being able to deb…
> Please don't.
Please do!
Because even with the most generous interpretation of your issue, it seems fully self-inflicted, by a lack of typing skills compounded by refusing to configure the keymap or the sysreq bitmask, and asking instead for that to become everyone problem by having the key moved!
> accidentally slipping your finger from AltGr onto the PrintScr
What about learning to touchtype? And until them, typing in a well lit room?
> It's a choice between triggering crashes _all the time_, or disabling sysrq and never being able to debug the legit ones.
That's a false dichotomy. You are not triggering crashes, you are instructing your computer to reboot (sysreq B) which it does.
It should not be blamed on the computer, but on your lack of attention, and the lack of adaptation, so I'd even call that a self inflicted problem.
If you can take the time to configure your laptop to use a non standard layout, you can certainly take the extra time to learn proper typing instead of bothering the vast majority of those who are happy with this layout.
If you can't take that time, you can certainly apply one of the many possible counter measures, like moving sysreq to another key (cf dumpkeys and loadkeys), or just disabling the sysreq reboot function (0 disables sysreq, 1 enables it, but you can have a finer control if you read the documentation, ex: 128 is the bitmask for the reboot/poweroff) which would let you debug the "legit ones" - though if your linux has legit crashes, you may have bigger problems!
Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop
#718Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, until you hit the parts of the UI that aren't translated from German or have to return stuff and the vendor only communicates in German and the auto-generated emails are in German and the vendor feedback list is in German and th4 reviews are in German... They're not ordering from amazon.com (US), they're probably ordering from amazon.de with a thin layer of English translations + autotranslations.
If you're setting your preferred language in English on the website, all further on interaction should be in English. (BTW they have multiple language dropdowns that I didn't even highlight because I'm sure old generations do not know how to use those). Lack of English translated terms isn't something I've personally encountered, and for the reviews it's true I scroll a bit further down the page to see the English re…
When 70-80% of what's sold on amazon.de comes from other vendors and you can't filter those results out, what you're saying doesn't help at all.
Yes, theoretically you're right, but in practice it's useless advice.
Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop
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FYI, we've added support for the framework to nixos-hardware. I appreciate any feedback or improvements anyone has! https://github.com/NixOS/nixos-hardware/blob/master/framewor...
Will you guys ever produce a "wide screen" version of your laptop? If so, you have another customer.
Widescreen laptops were a phase, but they're rapidly falling out of fashion.
Being able to see more text (webpages, news articles), and longer lists (email inbox, code) is more important to more people than having a laptop that can watch movies. Split-screening on a laptop is rough no matter the dimensions. In the best case scenario you have a wide laptop and you see two panes, but a miniscule amount of rows on each pane.
Squarish laptops have been a breath of fresh air for me.
Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop
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Piling on the wishlist: any chances of a fanless mainboard in the future? I'm a sucker for fanless, hard for me to imagine going back...
I don't think this works well with x86 chips. The performance of ARM in this low power budget is unmatched, especially looking at Apple's M1. And even they need fans to sustain the clock speeds.
An MS Surface Pro 7 with an Intel Core i5-7300U is fanless. I know I won't be getting the very bleeding edge topmost performance with fanless, but I can still get it plenty awesome. The silence is just a different level of experience, that I'm absolutely addicted to.